FoosTalk Live | Ep 190 | The Rules with Jerry Todd & Dan Barber

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[00:02:02] Hello there.

[00:02:07] It's episode number 190.

[00:02:08] Hey there, it's Tom Robinson.

[00:02:11] Looking forward to tonight, this is our first episode 190.

[00:02:15] This is the first one of 2024 when it comes to Foostalk Live.

[00:02:19] Looking forward to this but I got a first of all before we start.

[00:02:22] I have to give a shout out to those folks at the big tournament that we went to last weekend.

[00:02:28] The minute Atlantic holiday foosball tournament.

[00:02:31] Want to say hey to Jim Produce, Kristen Grogan, John Lee and the rest of the organizers from

[00:02:37] that tournament at the Belmont or Belmonti Brewers in Wilmington, Delaware just last weekend.

[00:02:43] We had a blast.

[00:02:45] I want to thank my open doubles partner John Lee for taking me under his wing and tolerating

[00:02:50] my play.

[00:02:51] At any rate, we had a great time.

[00:02:54] We'd love to do it again and we're always looking for great tournaments like that along

[00:02:58] the East Coast, those that we can drive to at least.

[00:03:00] Anyway, it's been a great 2023 but also now it's 2024 and we're ready to go.

[00:03:07] In fact, it's always great to talk about Foosball with somebody who is really into it which

[00:03:12] would include Randy Raposo.

[00:03:13] Hello Randy.

[00:03:14] Happy New Year Tom.

[00:03:15] I don't want to be new here.

[00:03:17] I don't like French people just so you know, hi.

[00:03:21] Yeah, John Lee, I love John.

[00:03:26] Shout out to John.

[00:03:27] How'd you guys do?

[00:03:28] Did you win?

[00:03:29] We actually took fifth place.

[00:03:31] There was a tough competition.

[00:03:35] No, we had a big blast.

[00:03:37] A lot of fun.

[00:03:38] In fact, when I showed up, I didn't have an open doubles partner and he volunteered

[00:03:40] to play with me.

[00:03:41] So it's like, oh, that's awesome.

[00:03:42] Yeah, John's a super nice guy.

[00:03:44] He really is.

[00:03:45] He's not French.

[00:03:46] That's why he sees a good dude.

[00:03:47] Anyway, we're going to get into your French foe here in just a bit but so how else was

[00:03:54] your holidays?

[00:03:55] What happened?

[00:03:56] Cool man.

[00:03:57] I went home, saw my grandmother play Little Foosball and then New Year's, I was about

[00:04:03] eight o'clock.

[00:04:04] So it was nice.

[00:04:05] No, no, no, I understand that you went to John Garcia's new place of the hub.

[00:04:09] Yeah, yeah, it was cool.

[00:04:11] Clean, nice, for good tables.

[00:04:13] Had a bunch of players there.

[00:04:14] We had a good time.

[00:04:15] It was a nice spot.

[00:04:16] Awesome.

[00:04:17] Yeah, his girl made some good food, man.

[00:04:19] They had some king crab legs and wow.

[00:04:22] Yeah, she did it up really good.

[00:04:23] So we had some fun and then played some money matches.

[00:04:28] Nice.

[00:04:29] Yeah, man.

[00:04:30] Yeah, they were free.

[00:04:32] They were feeling froggy.

[00:04:33] Yeah, yeah.

[00:04:34] Don't look at fortie game to the hub.

[00:04:35] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:04:36] Yeah, yeah, was able I was able to pay off some Christmas debt so nice.

[00:04:40] Haha.

[00:04:41] As always, always good to count on friends for that, right?

[00:04:43] Yeah, that's right.

[00:04:44] We will help here with the Christmas presents.

[00:04:46] So thanks very much guys.

[00:04:47] Yes, yes, very much.

[00:04:49] Well hey, this last week we've had a lot of inquiries.

[00:04:53] In fact, somebody was saying very specifically that we should do a topic on tonight's show

[00:04:58] called The Rules.

[00:05:01] And of course, the rules have just been modified and just released recently.

[00:05:06] In fact, I've got it right here.

[00:05:07] I've got the whole packet in front of me.

[00:05:10] It's the ITSF Rules 2023 version 2.0.

[00:05:14] And so we thought hey, what better way to get into this topic tonight than with two of

[00:05:20] the top people in the world when it comes to knowing the rules but also being referees

[00:05:25] which would include Jerry Todd and Dan Barber.

[00:05:29] With from Colorado Go figure, hey guys, what's up?

[00:05:32] Hey, thanks for having us on tonight.

[00:05:34] Thanks, Tom.

[00:05:35] Oh, you're very welcome.

[00:05:36] It's a pleasure to have you on.

[00:05:38] I don't know if you saw the post on Facebook but everybody's like hey, these new rules came

[00:05:42] out.

[00:05:43] We kind of need some clarification.

[00:05:46] First of all, did you see those postings?

[00:05:49] A few of them, yeah.

[00:05:51] Okay.

[00:05:52] Yeah, they're out there and there's going to be a lot more coming.

[00:05:55] Okay, I gotcha.

[00:05:57] I mean, anytime there's a change.

[00:05:58] Of course, there's going to be questions and of course, ITSF, we think of mostly governing

[00:06:05] play in Europe but that also governs us too in this country correct?

[00:06:10] Is that fair assumption?

[00:06:13] I mean, if it's a recognized ITSF tournament then yeah, they kind of, we have to play by

[00:06:19] those recognized rules.

[00:06:21] Got it.

[00:06:22] Understood.

[00:06:23] And no, just for our own edification when it comes to being referees.

[00:06:27] You guys are training referees and also been referees for how long?

[00:06:33] I was certified, I hate to say this about 24, 25 years ago.

[00:06:39] 24.

[00:06:40] Wow.

[00:06:41] Man.

[00:06:42] And you've probably seen a lot of changes in that period of time.

[00:06:45] I certainly asked.

[00:06:47] Wow.

[00:06:48] And Jerry, how about yourself?

[00:06:50] About two years.

[00:06:51] 10 years, yeah.

[00:06:52] Still.

[00:06:53] No, no, no, no, as much experience as man.

[00:06:57] Right.

[00:06:58] Well, it's, it's, we're going to get into your relationship and just a bit because we know

[00:07:01] that you do a lot of, you know, relationship, post-bomb relationship.

[00:07:07] Come on, come on, come on.

[00:07:08] But we know that you do a lot of traveling.

[00:07:10] I know why I was looking at some of your Facebook posts about last year's trip to India.

[00:07:15] We definitely want to talk about that.

[00:07:18] And first of all, when it comes to the rules, who actually put this together?

[00:07:25] Who wrote the rules for the ITSF?

[00:07:27] Any idea?

[00:07:28] Yeah.

[00:07:29] So the rules, the latest changes came down from a lot of hard work from Tom Yord.

[00:07:34] Okay.

[00:07:35] David Neiman and Yuri Zook.

[00:07:38] They put a lot of hard work in and a lot of legwork trying to find solutions to some

[00:07:45] of the problems of rules that were, that needed fixed.

[00:07:50] And these are ones that they came up with that were the easiest fix and that was just released

[00:07:57] in mid to late December and then released to the public here very recently.

[00:08:05] And so have you had an opportunity to really dive in and see what's happened, what's changed,

[00:08:10] anything in particular that stands out for you?

[00:08:12] Yeah.

[00:08:13] Definitely.

[00:08:14] And Jerry and I have tasked ourselves to some of the ones that are more significant to

[00:08:21] making videos and try to get those posted up to the ITSF website.

[00:08:25] So hopefully be able to do some links where it clarifies the three walls, you know, where

[00:08:32] that rule change and the precarious ball.

[00:08:35] You know, precarious ball.

[00:08:36] That's a weird one.

[00:08:37] Right?

[00:08:38] I like it.

[00:08:39] You know, and it doesn't happen on all the tables tornadoes one of the worst ones where

[00:08:44] it you know, the balls behind the man and you can't like get it.

[00:08:49] So the new rule is I really wish the ball may take me out of the ball and you take the

[00:08:55] ball and you really wish to their five.

[00:08:58] Well, this is the thing, this is a thing about that because I've seen it happen where the

[00:09:02] ball stops in that one spot right on the goal and you can't touch it and essentially

[00:09:07] it's a dead ball, right?

[00:09:08] It is a dead ball.

[00:09:09] But if you can touch it, you can opt to really push.

[00:09:12] Oh, well, in the past, you could just let the 15 seconds run out and then fall off

[00:09:18] and work by heart.

[00:09:19] And I've had people argue and say, well, there's no clock.

[00:09:22] There's no ref like we can't sit here and argue, you know, you know, there's no clock.

[00:09:26] There's no reds 15 seconds.

[00:09:28] You know, I understand the relinquishing part and I do agree with that.

[00:09:33] You know, it's just, it's weird and I guess it's better to just do it this way for clarity.

[00:09:41] So it makes it easier.

[00:09:44] I agree.

[00:09:45] I just calling it a precarious ball is just for me.

[00:09:48] It's weird because I dated a girl once who was like precarious in a certain way.

[00:09:53] And it's just maybe it's, I don't know, Fuzball, PTSD, I guess, I don't know anyway.

[00:09:58] I think those rules commission guys, they like those big words.

[00:10:03] So we let them get away with it.

[00:10:05] Okay, I mean, it was actually the first time I'd seen the word precarious involved in

[00:10:09] the rules.

[00:10:10] The first time I looked at this and like precarious, okay?

[00:10:13] I understand where that comes from.

[00:10:15] So precarious is very relinquished relinquished.

[00:10:19] That's the other one.

[00:10:20] Right, right.

[00:10:21] So, okay, so let's say I've got the ball and it's in my goal, but it's not in the goal,

[00:10:26] but it's sitting on the line.

[00:10:27] I can actually touch it with my goalie.

[00:10:30] Can I, can I try to get it out of the goal without any penalty?

[00:10:36] You certainly can, but if it goes in, it's their point.

[00:10:38] I got you.

[00:10:39] Okay.

[00:10:40] Okay.

[00:10:41] So, so let's say it's hanging on the edge and I don't want to put it in my own goal.

[00:10:46] So I can just, just say, okay, I relinquish.

[00:10:49] I can, I'll just give it up, give the ball up and it goes to the fibro.

[00:10:52] Correct.

[00:10:53] Gotcha.

[00:10:54] Wow.

[00:10:55] That's an interesting, that's a, is that a change?

[00:10:57] Yeah.

[00:10:58] Okay.

[00:10:59] Wow.

[00:11:00] That's precarious if I ever, if I ever saw it, it's not precarious.

[00:11:04] Oh, we don't.

[00:11:05] Yeah.

[00:11:06] So, so another one is the, the walls like they, they, they change the rule where the walls you

[00:11:11] can do like two on top and two on bottom and it doesn't, they don't add up.

[00:11:14] Is that true?

[00:11:15] Is that correct?

[00:11:16] Right.

[00:11:17] And not only do they not add up, but if I touch two walls on the near side, as soon as

[00:11:22] the ball hits the far side, I now have two more walls on the near side.

[00:11:26] Oh, man, no, I'm going to start.

[00:11:28] Oh, I'm going to, oh wow, that's bad.

[00:11:30] Wow.

[00:11:31] But you have to do it all within 10 seconds.

[00:11:33] 10 seconds.

[00:11:34] Yeah, yeah.

[00:11:35] I mean, you know, still.

[00:11:37] Wow.

[00:11:38] Okay.

[00:11:39] So if you move back quick with your balls then you shouldn't be playing football.

[00:11:42] Right.

[00:11:43] No comment.

[00:11:44] So the thing, okay.

[00:11:45] So, you know, well, so when the ball gets trapped on the wall and you tap, tap, tap.

[00:11:50] You know, you're trying to get that space to get your man around the ball or whatever.

[00:11:53] Okay.

[00:11:54] Are they have they changed?

[00:11:55] Have they changed it to where those taps count as walls or is that still that still?

[00:12:00] That's still not considered a wall unless it's far enough off the wall that you can get your man behind it.

[00:12:06] Okay.

[00:12:07] Okay.

[00:12:08] Okay.

[00:12:09] So it would be one wall.

[00:12:10] Tell me.

[00:12:12] Until you can get in less.

[00:12:13] It comes in from you an opposing zone and you trap it.

[00:12:18] That would be zero walls until you get it off.

[00:12:21] Gotcha.

[00:12:22] So it has to move off the wall before it's considered and then you tap it again.

[00:12:25] That's that's one, one hit.

[00:12:27] Correct.

[00:12:28] Okay.

[00:12:29] Yep.

[00:12:30] What if you can't get the ball off the wall at all?

[00:12:32] What if it's like like it's an old table and it's dead stuck against the wall?

[00:12:36] It's not serious for that where the ball gets up against the wall.

[00:12:41] And tornado players and players that play on the wall.

[00:12:47] It's a difficult thing to do when that ball is trapped on there to get it off the wall.

[00:12:52] Yeah.

[00:12:53] So, you know, if time runs out it runs out but that rule has not changed.

[00:12:58] Yeah, he used to we used to jar the other side to get it to come off a little bit and they made that illegal now so you can't do that.

[00:13:06] Friendship.

[00:13:07] He's the rules on this.

[00:13:08] Oh, yeah.

[00:13:09] God.

[00:13:10] Friendship.

[00:13:11] He's the rules on this.

[00:13:12] Oh, God.

[00:13:13] I'm French people are terrible.

[00:13:15] Oh.

[00:13:16] I don't know.

[00:13:17] You know, well, because you know that look the bonds any table.

[00:13:21] I am a fan.

[00:13:22] I really like the bonds any table and it's their table.

[00:13:25] They they're really good on it.

[00:13:27] They're very specific and I feel like to do stuff like that to have an advantage.

[00:13:30] Like get out of here.

[00:13:31] You know,

[00:13:33] I ate some french fries today and I was mad.

[00:13:35] Everybody I took.

[00:13:36] I got mad.

[00:13:37] Anyway, anyway, ready.

[00:13:41] Yeah, it's time to time to get over this.

[00:13:44] You know what I'm saying?

[00:13:45] I thought I was going to be better this year.

[00:13:48] I told my wife that so I'm going to be better in 2024.

[00:13:50] All right.

[00:13:51] We're looking for it.

[00:13:52] I was just looking at something called the ball supply change.

[00:13:57] Now every so often you get into a match and there's there's a ball that lets

[00:14:01] especially when you go to where you to a tournament where you buy a ball and

[00:14:06] you use that ball for the rest of the weekend.

[00:14:08] Now sometimes those balls get kind of kind of mangled and beat up and not playing very well.

[00:14:13] Now what is the rule can in the middle of play say hey, this ball is just not working well

[00:14:18] and just throw it to the side.

[00:14:20] What's the what's the ruling on that?

[00:14:22] What what can you do if the players agree yes you can.

[00:14:28] And if you call a ref the ref can come and look at the ball and determine that it is playable.

[00:14:34] Okay, and then you have to continue using that ball.

[00:14:37] However, whoever's server is they have the option of which ball from the ball supply that they start with.

[00:14:45] Interesting.

[00:14:46] Wow.

[00:14:47] It's a ball becomes damaged with a nick or something like that then it can be replaced.

[00:14:53] But it has to be something you can see physically and certainly notice the change in the way the ball rolls.

[00:14:58] Is that correct?

[00:14:59] Yeah, yeah.

[00:15:00] And then the ball can be changed.

[00:15:02] And if the players don't agree then a new ball will be provided.

[00:15:07] Man, I do know no, so I have a question with the balls.

[00:15:11] Yeah, so you know, I've had this well.

[00:15:15] I've had this happen to where you know I get a ball to I always buy two.

[00:15:19] I always buy two so that way when I go to the table it's like hey, I got two balls.

[00:15:23] They're new.

[00:15:24] I got them here.

[00:15:25] So they're the same.

[00:15:26] They're consistent.

[00:15:27] I like consistency and I've had a person on the other side of the table say well, I have a ball.

[00:15:31] And it's like a ball from home right?

[00:15:33] It's it's like it's just not the same.

[00:15:36] And they argue with me and go well, I want to use my ball.

[00:15:39] And I'll tell them I'm like, well do you have two?

[00:15:42] No.

[00:15:43] Well then it's like how what's what's the consensus on that?

[00:15:48] How do we handle that when there's you know this guy's got one ball and I've got another ball and they're not the same balls.

[00:15:54] The rule is that the balls should be.

[00:15:59] You should be purchased from the venue.

[00:16:02] So when you go to a tournament, you should be using balls provided by the venue.

[00:16:07] OK, so if I bring one from home as a referee, I would disallow it.

[00:16:14] Interesting.

[00:16:15] Now I know I remember you.

[00:16:17] I'm not going to say your name, but I remember you when I see.

[00:16:22] Yeah, I've had it happen multiple times.

[00:16:26] Yeah, it was a guy from Florida.

[00:16:28] I remember I know who he is.

[00:16:29] Believe me, I'm not going to say his name, but he pulled out a ball and I said man this joke has been smacking that thing around at home for like two weeks.

[00:16:36] Yeah, it was the name right with.

[00:16:40] I know.

[00:16:42] His name rhymes with cheater.

[00:16:45] I know what you're talking about.

[00:16:47] OK, we all know it.

[00:16:49] Yeah, name rhymes with cheater.

[00:16:51] Is that is that equivalent to like carrying around loaded dice?

[00:16:54] I mean, is that the deals that what you're trying to say here, Randy?

[00:16:57] It could be because it could give you an advantage because you're used to playing with those balls because you're passing.

[00:17:03] You're catching the way you pin the ball where you set it up for a shot is going to be different based on the ball type and in the where that's been put on it.

[00:17:12] I know specifically the bonzini players, they like an old beat up ball.

[00:17:16] And for us, we like a ball that rolls straight.

[00:17:19] They don't care because it's always in the pin.

[00:17:21] So we like the brand new balls that are round and and.

[00:17:27] And so we always try to play with the new balls and it doesn't I think maybe it gives us a little bit of advantage.

[00:17:36] The statements that beat up ball gets them in advantage.

[00:17:40] So in that case, the ball is still playable.

[00:17:43] You play one of each and whoever has the serve has the option of playing either ball.

[00:17:49] That's an interesting point that I didn't know.

[00:17:52] So I've had that that exact situation a couple of times and I happened to laugh for the women's team.

[00:17:59] So you hand them a ball, you hand them a ball and they say no, I want the other ball and you have to give it a ball.

[00:18:05] But you can start with two new balls each match.

[00:18:10] So at the beginning of the match, it can be two balls.

[00:18:14] Huh, you can request two new balls because you can disagree with with the ball so.

[00:18:21] And but then you get to choose which one of the two.

[00:18:26] Yeah, no has to be something that's been purchased at the event.

[00:18:29] Absolutely.

[00:18:31] And Fuzeman on Twitch TV wants to know.

[00:18:34] And what is the time limit on the ball exchange? Is there how is there a certain time limit on that?

[00:18:41] There's five seconds so the between balls is five seconds and then you could get a delay again, but we all know that.

[00:18:52] You know, you get a tornado table. You're playing with two balls that takes sometimes a little longer for it to rattle around inside the table and come down.

[00:18:59] Sure.

[00:19:00] So we're usually not too harsh on the five seconds as long as you're trying to get the ball back into play.

[00:19:06] But if you're you're turning around getting a drink going out for a smoke and then coming back.

[00:19:11] You know, we're going to call you on it.

[00:19:13] Interesting. Now here's something I didn't know until I read this read through these new this list of different rules.

[00:19:21] When a ball has been scored, there is what three seconds to bring the next ball into play.

[00:19:28] Five seconds.

[00:19:29] Five seconds.

[00:19:31] I've seen that.

[00:19:33] I don't think that's necessarily followed. Although I it's hard to see one way or the other.

[00:19:39] No, we're not going to call it delay a game unless it looks like you're intentionally trying to delay the game.

[00:19:47] Yeah, the spirit of the role.

[00:19:50] Right.

[00:19:52] Yeah.

[00:19:53] So I mean, if they want to do other things that I'll charge them with the time out.

[00:19:57] But if I'm the player, I'll talk about taking a time out for 30 seconds and then I'm good to go to play without taking the time out.

[00:20:04] Right.

[00:20:05] Wait, did I say that?

[00:20:08] Okay, no, no, no, so this is a good one because I was thinking about this the other day, right?

[00:20:12] I'm like this, you know, because I think about like the mental stuff too, right?

[00:20:16] So now third time out, you get charged with a loss of possession, right?

[00:20:20] Right.

[00:20:21] Okay, so four four.

[00:20:23] You just scored it's game three pro doubles, whatever four four you score their drop they go to drop.

[00:20:30] You've already used two timeouts and you go, oh, timeout.

[00:20:33] You know you've used to and you go time out and they go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[00:20:37] That's your third time out.

[00:20:38] You go.

[00:20:39] No, yeah.

[00:20:41] Huh?

[00:20:42] And then they go, what's the what's the foul and then I say, oh, it's just it's your ball.

[00:20:47] It's also possession.

[00:20:48] And then they blow a gasket and I steal the ball and I pass and I score.

[00:20:52] I mean, I think that's kind of I think that's kind of backwards.

[00:20:55] Like, I don't think that's cool, man.

[00:20:57] It used to be a technical shock, correct?

[00:20:59] Yes.

[00:21:00] So why didn't you change that rule?

[00:21:02] I think there was in 2016 is when that changed.

[00:21:06] Okay.

[00:21:07] And again, if I'm a ref at the table, you know, I don't allow the plate to stop.

[00:21:12] You know, it's not that what it's play.

[00:21:15] You know, you don't, you don't let me, you know, but no, play ball, play ball of course, play.

[00:21:21] But there's no, but if there's no official at the table, right?

[00:21:25] And again, it's the integrity of the player.

[00:21:28] Of course.

[00:21:29] See, and this is the thing.

[00:21:30] I know.

[00:21:31] I think I would never, I would never do that.

[00:21:33] Right?

[00:21:34] But I think about like if somebody did it to me, I would have to start laughing at them.

[00:21:38] Oh, I have to start laughing at them because it's, you know, I don't know.

[00:21:43] I just some of these rules.

[00:21:45] It's kind of backwards the way that that just doesn't make sense because, you know,

[00:21:51] you took a third time out, you know, it's like I said, it just, it doesn't make sense.

[00:21:57] So anyway, that was, that was just something.

[00:22:00] I, I, I think about a lot of dumb stuff.

[00:22:02] I don't know if you could tell by my rambling.

[00:22:05] But I was just like, man, that would be like, I could see somebody doing that and like a pinch in a big match,

[00:22:11] just to kind of throw a wrench in somebody's gears and.

[00:22:14] Psychologically affect their.

[00:22:16] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:22:18] Yeah.

[00:22:19] There's another, there are other guys that I think about that.

[00:22:21] I'm like, oh, he would do that.

[00:22:22] His name rhymes with cheater too, but I'm like, can I do that?

[00:22:25] I could definitely see that guy doing that.

[00:22:27] We live in Florida or France.

[00:22:29] We're not sure which.

[00:22:30] Oh, he's a French guy that lives in Florida.

[00:22:32] Oh, there you go.

[00:22:33] The worst case.

[00:22:34] What?

[00:22:35] You know, the worst case.

[00:22:38] No, it's interesting because there are so many occasions when I've seen people just take the ball out of the table,

[00:22:45] set it up on the, on the, on the, the, the ramp or put it up on top of the table and kind of tap the ball a couple times

[00:22:53] and look around and you know, it's, it's a good, you know, 10, 15, 20 seconds.

[00:22:58] And then they finally serve the ball.

[00:23:00] And so that's considered a foul.

[00:23:04] Yes, but you almost have to have a referee there.

[00:23:06] So if you feel you're being cheated, you just have to get a rough.

[00:23:10] Okay, I just wasn't aware that there was such a thing necessarily.

[00:23:13] I mean, it makes sense if you're, you know, if you're walking away from the table in between points,

[00:23:17] that's, that's different obviously.

[00:23:18] But if so, five seconds, it's tough to get the ball out of the rack and get back in the ball.

[00:23:22] Within five seconds, that's, that's tough to do.

[00:23:25] But again, from a, from a rule standpoint, a referee standpoint, you got to put a number on it.

[00:23:31] Yeah, is it five?

[00:23:32] Is it seven, 12?

[00:23:34] 10.

[00:23:35] So you know, the lower the number, the more it kind of encourages people to carry up a little bit.

[00:23:41] Sure.

[00:23:42] Well, one of the things that I noticed with modern Fuzball with David, David Kala, he instituted last year,

[00:23:51] one of the tournaments, lights.

[00:23:53] So when there was a timeout, the lights would turn red above the table.

[00:23:57] Yes.

[00:23:58] And it would stay red for 30 seconds.

[00:24:00] And then I guess in that case they were going with the head commercials during the feed.

[00:24:04] But the red light was indicate, okay, nobody, nobody moves.

[00:24:08] Basically, it's a 30 second time out.

[00:24:11] And as soon as the line.

[00:24:12] 90 seconds in between.

[00:24:13] In between the mass of the ball.

[00:24:16] And then it would, it would flash a couple of times when time was running down.

[00:24:19] Yeah, what do you think?

[00:24:21] Yeah, I was lucky enough to be, to be one of the guinea pigs in a, in a final match with that technology.

[00:24:28] What did you think about that?

[00:24:30] How do you feel about that?

[00:24:32] I like it.

[00:24:34] I think it had a couple of bugs.

[00:24:37] What if both players are back there and they want to play in 19 seconds?

[00:24:42] Yeah.

[00:24:43] So unless you know,

[00:24:45] and in this scenario, it would have to be on a finals table or you know, a pit table with somebody at the controls.

[00:24:51] Just when somebody takes a time out.

[00:24:53] So I think it is achievable.

[00:24:55] And David, he is, he's a smart guy.

[00:24:59] And he can, if there's anything that needs figured out, he will do it.

[00:25:03] Right.

[00:25:04] Yeah, he's really, he's done some great work with software, et cetera.

[00:25:08] And I think this is just an innovative sort of idea, especially when it comes to watching a match.

[00:25:13] When something turns red, that kind of gets everybody's attention.

[00:25:17] Yes.

[00:25:18] So suddenly you've got this, this, especially for someone who's a casual observer who's not necessarily aware how things are supposed to work with Fuzball.

[00:25:26] The red light goes on, everybody stops playing for 30 seconds.

[00:25:30] Then or right and or they, they change sides and go on into the next game of the match.

[00:25:36] I think it's a great, a great innovation.

[00:25:38] I don't know how many tournaments can actually adapt that right away.

[00:25:43] Right. And we even talked briefly about if the referee was up there keeping time, being able to push the button when time ran out and the light turned red.

[00:25:54] Right.

[00:25:55] So that would be even tougher because you know,

[00:25:59] no, but that would, that would be nice because I was watching a match last night 2000 worlds Fred and Todd playing Lewis and Trevor.

[00:26:11] And Fred got a time called on him by Jeep.

[00:26:15] And it was like he passed and then he said time and he said, I'm sorry, it was a time.

[00:26:20] And there was a little bit of a conflict.

[00:26:22] But if there's that light and it pops red, it's like, oh, okay, you can't argue that right.

[00:26:28] It's there. But you know, but I if I could ask, you know, so the New Year flips, the rule changes come out.

[00:26:36] What's some two questions? One, what's the biggest question you guys have been getting about the rules and two, what do you think the biggest change that was made is as far as, you know, the rules that have been changed?

[00:26:49] Let's say it's the three walls is what most people are.

[00:26:53] The wall reset is the biggest concern. Absolutely. And that's probably what's going to affect your typical players from match to match. Absolutely.

[00:27:02] But there has been quite a few other changes. It's more technical that I guess it's more of a referees concern.

[00:27:10] Right. And again, I think players see that there's changes and they try to overthink everything.

[00:27:16] Basically, the rules are the same. There are small things that you need to be aware of certainly.

[00:27:24] But none of them are going to change the way you play.

[00:27:28] So play the same way. And if you didn't have a problem with the rules before, you won't know.

[00:27:34] Okay. Cool. And that's good to know because I mean, you know, I think that's the biggest problem people are having is there they're getting worked up about these rule changes thinking it's going to affect play.

[00:27:43] But just play foosball, right? I mean, it's still playing you're still playing foosball.

[00:27:48] Sure. Now I love the rules like I've always wanted to be a guy that's officiating matches.

[00:27:56] I want to be able to know the rules. If I wanted to be an ITS official, a certified official is there a way that I could go about doing that?

[00:28:05] We're currently working on and it's in the early stages, but working on a referee clinic that can be done virtually.

[00:28:15] Okay. And then, but the difficult part is there's the practical part of the examination where you ref a match.

[00:28:23] Yeah. And you know, Jerry and I have done a couple hundred of them.

[00:28:28] That's the funnest part is because we get to cheat each other and see what they pick up on and slam, rod, pull an extra point to see if they pick up on it.

[00:28:41] Love it. Yeah.

[00:28:43] So I have to practice cheating for those in a real match.

[00:28:49] But that would be the part that would be difficult is that practical part of the exam, but the rest that certainly we can do that virtually.

[00:29:01] And we would have something where they could take the written test everything online and be able to pass.

[00:29:07] And at that, they would begin an assistant level referee.

[00:29:12] But that that is in the works. Hopefully this year it will happen and you know more people are going to be able to become referees.

[00:29:22] Outside of that, it would have to be a tournament where Dan and I were at in the tournament director with the lowest time before the tournament.

[00:29:30] It's hard for us because we have to get up extra early and then do a presentation, ask questions, do a proctored examination.

[00:29:40] If they pass, then we would yeah, we'd have to have them play on the table and kind of rate them to see if they're going to start as an assistant or or a higher referee at that time that the practical.

[00:29:56] So so it's kind of tough right now. How many I mean, sorry Tom, no, no, it's just going to say after all this time you guys have been involved in training referees, how many people have you brought into this sport as referees?

[00:30:11] I've done I did one referee clinic that had I think 43.

[00:30:17] 43. Yeah, that was it the world cup.

[00:30:22] And well we've certified people when we played we played all over the world. We try to do a clinic or get them certified like when we're down in South America over over in Asia.

[00:30:36] Because as you all know, we definitely need more referees at every tournament. Oh yeah, they're always scrambling to find a ref delays the game so we want to make as many people qualify good honest people referees as we can to try to take that pressure off of the tournament directors right because that can.

[00:30:59] It can really throw a wrench in the whole process, especially if you're waiting on that match to be played. Oh yes, one holding everything back.

[00:31:08] So so that's a great point Jerry and this is an issue that I've seen at so many tournaments where there, you know, there's a match there needs to be an official and you know Donald or Kristen or somebody will make an announcement that you know hey we need a certified official certified pro official whatever it is.

[00:31:28] The table one and nobody responds. And then the players now are going around the room going hey can you ref can you ref can you ref and they're just like, you know no I don't want to do it or I got to play the winner or you know it's like at what point at what point is there.

[00:31:44] You know like a responsibility like your ref you have to ref, you know I've always wondered like from tournament to tournament why don't they just have you know a tournament it's regional right you have regional referees go at this tournament.

[00:31:57] This is going to be the read these are the two refs that are going to be there these guys in the Northeast these guys on the west coast these guys in the Midwest and just and just run it like that and give them some incentive out you know a package or you know something.

[00:32:11] I think more people to become referees and yeah you know and I'll say you know as a referee it's really tough you have a big match coming up I go I stand there for an hour I rep the match I go back up to the tournament record they're like you have to play your match right now it's like.

[00:32:28] The other guy's been warming up for a half hour and now I have to go and I have to play with how warm warming up or doing anything you know it can be really frustrating because then you're going into that match which is important you cold so you know from and that's from a referees perspective so.

[00:32:47] You know I always ask can you give me five or ten minutes to warm up on a table before you call the match I think it's only fair.

[00:32:54] Even if you are lucky you know holding up the next match is being called you know so but no I definitely agree that there needs to be more incentive for people to become referees and also I'm sure you know it's the same people that need.

[00:33:12] The people are calling referees against you know I know there we know who they are you know they always put the rules and.

[00:33:23] The greatest that the best tournament in North America is Colorado State and I was the head official and I had five other officials and we did pretty good about keeping the.

[00:33:40] The you know the matches rest that needed rest when you call for an official you go up and you pay for the official you know it two bucks a game per player whatever it is it's different for different levels but you go pay and then they call for a ref the rest goes rest the matches and he goes and get paid yeah okay and we did give him you know there was a buffet hey you get you help out with

[00:34:08] the food you know we so there you know we tried to make some at least a little bit of incentive form to ref and I think it went pretty well.

[00:34:19] Yeah no and you're right I mean I have a list of players that I'm like no matter what I will not play this guy without a ref it doesn't matter off of the table were buddies but when I play this guy I'm getting ref doesn't matter.

[00:34:31] We know you are well you know no and this is the thing right if you if you do something because I you know I've had I've got I've got buddies that tell me like came in you're you're a little overboard the other way like I I.

[00:34:46] I came up playing with Billy right and Billy's one of those guys where if he gets you he gets you gives you the ball so for me it's like I feel like if I do something if I break the rules I'm going to give you the ball it's just it's common Curtis I mean it's football there's their rules.

[00:35:00] Look my nephew's four years old we play games he knows there's rules you don't break the rules and that's it so as grown men and women were playing foosball these are the rules you know what they are don't break them.

[00:35:10] If you do there's a consequence so if I get you and you say man you got me sure here's the ball like it is what it is and I tell people the balls round it's going to you know it goes both ways it is what it is but I feel like you're one of those guys where if you do something yeah man I got you here's the ball like you know there's not going to be an argument where I've played guys that are in the game.

[00:35:29] They're really good players they're very skillful and they're really good.

[00:35:34] And then two on top of it their cheaters so it's like you know I like I got to get a ref dude and I like you and that's the thing like I and I tell him like I like you this is why I'm getting a ref because if I don't and you cheat me then we're going

[00:35:47] to have a problem off the table and I don't want to do that so you know I play as rough as any player out there when I play I play the way I play hard I play rough but if I get you I'll give you the ball.

[00:36:00] Yeah that's right but the very next ball I'm going to play just as rough right and there's no reason why you shouldn't yeah one of the things I love about foosball I mean there have been tournaments where there's only been

[00:36:13] a couple of referees called I think most of the people that play have respect for each other and I think 95% of the players are very honest players they might not know all the rules but yeah I think most of us that's we're very honest.

[00:36:31] We have a love for the game so that's one of the things I do love about foosball is I think most people are like that but there are a few that

[00:36:43] ruin it for everybody.

[00:36:45] We've been to multiple tournaments in Asia where zero referees were called the entire weekend.

[00:36:52] Really?

[00:36:53] Zero and I mean part of it is they don't know the rules and sometimes you know I'll test them I'll say oh yeah I'm going to do it.

[00:37:00] I'll test them I'll say oh there's a rule you can't chew gum and play it the same time and they're like oh okay.

[00:37:07] What?

[00:37:08] This is Singapore you can't do that.

[00:37:11] Singapore they'll cut your hand off if you chew gum and play foosball.

[00:37:15] It's feeding to your dog.

[00:37:18] Yeah, gently.

[00:37:21] They do it with lots.

[00:37:23] Three laps is they're going to cane you in public if you chew gum and play foosball but no it's see and this is the thing like you guys are in Colorado.

[00:37:29] I'm in Massachusetts now in Alabama.

[00:37:31] Tom's an upstate well, Tom's an Albany like we all know the guys.

[00:37:36] We all know the guys so you know it doesn't matter how the rules change or what they do with them.

[00:37:40] These guys are still going to be these guys but I feel I feel like the officiating something needs to happen with the officiating.

[00:37:47] We need more good referees period and people that are great left.

[00:37:52] So again another thing it's thankless right it's thankless.

[00:37:57] I'm not a popular.

[00:37:59] It's your fault.

[00:38:01] You are away from every match because it's your fault that they lost.

[00:38:07] Well, dude you just got five o'clock.

[00:38:10] That wasn't my fault.

[00:38:11] No it was your fault.

[00:38:12] It's your fault I suck.

[00:38:14] Yeah.

[00:38:15] And it's hard for people to volunteer to put themselves in that situation.

[00:38:20] Yeah.

[00:38:21] Yeah.

[00:38:22] We're going to make a bad call.

[00:38:24] You don't want to have it but if you're rough enough you're going to make a bad call and you hate to cost someone.

[00:38:30] Title or money or you know so it's tough to put yourself out there.

[00:38:36] I'm matches where I'm like why am I doing this?

[00:38:39] Why do I put myself out there?

[00:38:41] So again as an official has there ever been a match where something happens and you stop play and you're like hold on.

[00:38:50] I just need to think this out before I make a call.

[00:38:53] Of course.

[00:38:54] Yeah you just stop playing and then run through it.

[00:38:57] It's like it's watch basketball in the vertin whistle.

[00:39:00] What is an inadvertent whistle?

[00:39:02] You see something and you're like oh wait, nope that was legal.

[00:39:06] And you're like play.

[00:39:09] You don't explain yourself.

[00:39:11] You just play.

[00:39:12] Yeah.

[00:39:13] Yeah and it's just you know like you said we're human.

[00:39:15] You know I've had guys ask me to ref locals and I'm like you know I don't want to do it because somebody's going to lose and we're all friends and then you're going to get mad at me.

[00:39:23] And it's like and I've told them I said you know I'll ref but the outcomes are going to be what it is and then they get mad at me and it's like look man.

[00:39:33] You know I've had it happen to where?

[00:39:36] Well it's like it's like I told them this this actually happened I said I got to play the winner.

[00:39:40] I really don't want to ref. Well nobody else wants to ref.

[00:39:42] I said okay and and and I ended up making a call.

[00:39:48] The losers got mad at me and I told them I said look I told you I had to play the winner right.

[00:39:52] I said I would have much rather played you guys it wasn't like I made a call for this guy you know trying to help us out.

[00:39:58] I would have rather played you guys if I'm being honest I told them so you know and they got upset and I mean it is what it is but that I think that's one they they need to they need to incentivize referees

[00:40:09] and then to there needs to be a shield I feel like if you're a roughing and and you do the job.

[00:40:15] And you're an honest person when it's done that it needs to be done like the players can't you know attack you or like just you know it's over it's foosball like you can't change the past the balls gone the matches gone the game is gone we need

[00:40:30] to move forward and you know like we talk about certain officials like I said like Arthur I love Arthur I do and I'm just going to I'm going to I'm going to say it out loud.

[00:40:38] It was Louisiana State.

[00:40:42] What was the one you won you won the table at was a 19.

[00:40:47] Dan.

[00:40:48] You want that table table right there?

[00:40:53] Okay so it was it was the one after that it was the next year I was in the finals against a kid from Costa Rica and I beat him in prosingles I beat him too straight I beat him pretty bad in prosingles and I knew he didn't want to play me.

[00:41:06] We're playing the finals of expert singles and he was getting super rough and I was like well I'm going to get a ref and I got a ref and they are through came to the table and I was just like what the hell.

[00:41:17] And and the kid was just all over the place and I looked at Arthur said dude are you going to call like you're going to call something and Arthur's just you know he's like playball.

[00:41:25] And I mean I got I got it was so in my head I got beat instead of just playing foosball and you know being in the moment and I don't want to say I blamed Arthur but I was like dude I brought you here for a reason and it was I've cost me you know five bucks to you not to make any calls and you know it just.

[00:41:46] I don't know like I like is there a retest process on referees or is it like once you're in your grandfather then you're a ref for life and.

[00:41:55] We've really been talking about that where you need to get recertified every so often absolutely the rules.

[00:42:01] We got players that are world champion players here and they haven't read the rules from 20 years ago plus and they haven't read the rules and they still think the rules are what they were 20 years ago.

[00:42:15] You have to argue with them about it and they don't want to listen to you and yeah it's it's really frustrating but yeah the referee commission we're talking about a way to whether it's a written test or a practical recertifying whether that be every five seven 10 years but I think it's definitely a necessary part of the game every five years.

[00:42:40] Five's a good number and I think the practicals away to go because you've already taken the test right unless they make trust.

[00:42:47] The rules do change where maybe they do need to do both yeah and if they read tests there would definitely be the new rules would be on the test to make sure they they comprehend the new changes after me.

[00:42:59] Yeah I've been I've been a referee at tournaments where I came up with a table and they're like no I don't want you to rest.

[00:43:08] Can they do that? No they can add a second ref.

[00:43:13] Add a second ref okay. But the reasoning was you call this well I call the rules and if you break the rules I'm going to call them but they didn't they didn't want somebody who's going to call those infractions you know whether it be distraction or whatever you know they don't want someone who's going to call those things but so they didn't want me to ref the match.

[00:43:36] Yeah and you know I've heard of go the other way too where if I get a ref on you that player they're so good or however you want it they're going to see what they can get away with.

[00:43:50] You know maybe I can jar this far even though it's illegal is the referee going to call it and now they're going to try to take advantage of having a referee at the table.

[00:43:58] Yeah is that the sense yeah yeah I mean it's famous like Tom's here was the master you know he would see what he could get away with and he would push the referee to see what they were going to call.

[00:44:10] I breathed a match between Gary Edgeworth and Tom Spear and they were both on second warning for language jars resets wow distractions everything in the book they were at the edge.

[00:44:27] Huh they just want to push yeah see I refuse me as a ref I don't ten times we're going to call him.

[00:44:39] You can refuse a ref no you can't refuse a ref but you can have a second.

[00:44:46] Oh okay still that's um we don't like you as a ref we're going to get somebody else.

[00:44:55] Yeah okay is everybody.

[00:45:00] And most of the time the referee is like oh thank you.

[00:45:03] Man that's because they probably don't want to ref you anyway.

[00:45:08] As a referee there are people you don't want to wrap I mean you just know it's going to be name.

[00:45:15] We got a list.

[00:45:20] Oh they definitely got a list though.

[00:45:24] Who do you want me to wrap it's like oh no I'm going to go high.

[00:45:29] Shock shock Francois.

[00:45:32] Mark Rubik is one of the most talented baseball players in our generation when he came up so fast and I got to play with him a lot but

[00:45:44] he's not having hands.

[00:45:46] He's tough to rough.

[00:45:49] Amazing player.

[00:45:52] He's got heavy hands though man but good guy lost a talent but you know he played he played rough.

[00:46:03] Where's he been why has he been out?

[00:46:07] I don't know it just didn't really do it for him anymore.

[00:46:12] I think he's taking a break I think he'll be back.

[00:46:15] That'd be nice.

[00:46:17] Yeah really.

[00:46:18] His mom's awesome and I know his sister started playing.

[00:46:21] I don't love the whole family they live they're the closest fuzzers to where I live so I go over there all the time.

[00:46:28] The whole family is just amazing.

[00:46:31] It's a good family.

[00:46:36] Nice what event?

[00:46:39] Senior mixed senior mix nice cool nice wish he planned for you.

[00:46:45] Well you will never know watch the video watch the video.

[00:46:52] That's the thing is we're so switchable because we both have you know I've got seven tables here and he's got.

[00:47:00] Four nice so yeah we both have the tables and we both you know we're both pretty versatile.

[00:47:10] First recognize cables that you're going to have to play on yeah so yeah.

[00:47:14] Gotcha well she's she's she's a great forward she I mean she's a good foothold player but I'm you know nice five great shot like she's she's a stud.

[00:47:22] Oh sweet lady yeah you guys you guys got a great scene man I know we're supposed to be talking about the rules and stuff but you know Colorado.

[00:47:29] Yeah I mean always been a hot bit but you guys you guys got a bunch of great it's just a great.

[00:47:35] Yeah we definitely are yeah we just how far are you guys from from like you know from a scene or from a location or do you guys have to drive are you closer.

[00:47:46] Yeah yeah I gotta drive it takes me 12 13 minutes.

[00:47:53] My heart price wow man dedication 12 13 minutes to to a tournament wow and about a half hour away so it's not bad.

[00:48:03] Nice nice well hey you know if you're dedicated you're dedicated it just a not to quick the not to interrupt the flow here but we do have a couple of questions from our viewers on Twitch TV.

[00:48:13] I want to which specifically I'd like to know as well it comes down to the the two to five row passing.

[00:48:21] And of course we know several players who love the two to five row and their their singles game really shines because of it but they're asking.

[00:48:30] What about the it seems to be they're contemplating a changing the rule about how many times you can tap the ball against the wall with your two grow before you pass to the the five is that is that in in the future or is that something that you guys have been contemplating.

[00:48:48] Interesting you should say that because Jerry and I had that conversation today.

[00:48:53] About about that.

[00:48:56] So that's a discussion for us to have with the rules commissioned and that is a discussion that they certainly have have.

[00:49:04] And we have no insight whether there are any changes coming.

[00:49:09] Yeah being on the right commission we have no power or.

[00:49:14] We have nothing to do with that that's all the rules commission.

[00:49:17] Yep so I wish I could give you a better answer on that but I definitely hear a lot of complaints about that if you want to complain his name is Tom York.

[00:49:27] So for the heart.

[00:49:29] We know Tom.

[00:49:31] He's a friend of the family.

[00:49:35] Now on that same subject though it's you can only tap the ball against the wall on your five row three times but it's unlimited for the two row or the three row.

[00:49:45] Why is that?

[00:49:47] Again that's a rule that goes back even prior to the 2016 changes.

[00:49:55] I think you'd have to go back to the 90s before they started changing the wall count rule and.

[00:50:05] Don't know the justification behind that but it is something that comes up enough because the two to five series is a fairly recent.

[00:50:16] Change in game style that.

[00:50:20] I mean 20 years ago you just rarely rarely saw it and now it's pretty common so.

[00:50:26] Guys are practicing different things to kind of give them a little bit of an edge and going off that wall off the wall off of wall.

[00:50:33] You know if they get good at it it does give them an advantage so.

[00:50:39] I would be surprised if.

[00:50:42] If the rules commission isn't actively looking at a change there what that change is I don't want to speculate sure but I think it is a fair question yeah I think when we start beating the French consistently with it's all changing.

[00:51:00] Just like we've always been consistently.

[00:51:03] Not on their table not on bond.

[00:51:06] David is the only one on the referee commission from France and.

[00:51:13] It's from the you can't right no David glad you oh glad you okay.

[00:51:18] They seem it is on the on the.

[00:51:21] I think it's a good question.

[00:51:27] One of the things that I noticed about tournament play and this was a few years ago but I was in a match I think it was a world in fact and I was playing goalie which I always do.

[00:51:39] And my partner told me that Hey man when I've got possession of the ball on the three row you cannot move your guys.

[00:51:47] And I that was the first time I heard of it you know is what it was like oh but I'm just kind of trying to make sure that I'm ready for you know any kind of any kind of shot that comes back at me whatever the case is like no no you can't you have to you have to sit still.

[00:52:01] Like oh okay within reason I mean we don't expect you know you to be dead still especially if somebody shooting a tick tack shot you know you can allow a certain amount of movement but certainly nothing that's going to be destroyed.

[00:52:16] So it's a distraction that's what is considered yeah it would be it would be considered distraction if somebody especially if they have a set shot or a pin shot and you're moving your guys around.

[00:52:29] If you move from one place to another you know I might not call that but if you're moving them back and forth again yeah then I'm going to call that a distraction.

[00:52:40] Okay absolutely right moving your guys. I'm just saying this like I watch video and I see people doing it and I'm like oh it drives me nuts it drives me absolutely.

[00:52:52] Me too. I love happy Gilmore. I like I like food ball matches that anything goes one of the the funnest events I've ever played in was Texas about 25 years ago

[00:53:07] and they didn't call anything no jars no nothing no talking distraction. Wow nothing was called the table was on two legs one of the funnest events I've ever played.

[00:53:19] And you know that's what I like but there's no structure and there's no you can't play tournaments that way.

[00:53:28] But no it's got to be there has to be something we all abide by of course now it's we've had a lot of discussion right here on food stock live in the last couple of years about the fact that distraction rules have gone to the point where it's become a tennis match you know we're just dead silent.

[00:53:46] The audience is not cheering everybody's just as quiet as it can be while balls and play.

[00:53:52] Now I know you guys can't necessarily give us your honest opinion but if you could what would you say about.

[00:53:59] Personally as a player not as a referee as a player I don't care what you do as far as just like noises you make whatever for me it's more if you take your hands off the rod stuff like that as a player.

[00:54:15] You know you take your hands off the rod that's one thing but if if you're making noises whatever I don't care and Mr. John Lee.

[00:54:26] Him and I when we play our matches I mean these are real matches pro singles matches we talk the whole time and they're the funnest matches ever he gets his laugh going we we have some we have some of the best matches ever and we're talking the whole time and.

[00:54:44] Intentional distraction but our hands never leave the rod everything on the table is by the books yeah but.

[00:54:52] Do the funnest matches ever I mean that's that's what I want everybody else to experience is how fun this game can be and it's not this you know it's not a test match.

[00:55:04] What about the audience though I mean that's another thing I think there's there's this tendency to for the audience to remain as quiet as possible as well and it just seems counterintuitive when you're watching a highly competitive sport like foosball with the audience not to do to cheer.

[00:55:19] Here most of our audiences online but you go to the world cup we've been to the world cup before where there was between five and seven thousand people yes in the stands and there were times it's hard to put the ball on play because there's so much noise yeah the U.S. played France and the finals that the men's team played France and the finals and that place was.

[00:55:41] There's singing it's like a stalker a master can't even sing in their countries little chance and I mean they were into it was fun.

[00:55:52] So not and if we want to actually sell it as a sport gets sponsorship we want to see excitement right we want to see people cheering and getting into it it would be easier to to sell and so yeah but you know you don't want people calling out like as a referee.

[00:56:11] You know hey shoot on the switch you know because that's coaching you know you can't be doing stuff like that absolutely but right now you kind of have to go by what the rules are and you can't really be talking during the match and you know if a sound it is a distraction like you know and it causes someone to lose the ball I mean I'm going to give the ball back to that person if I deem it a distraction.

[00:56:41] I see both sides of it and I definitely want it to be bottom line I want it to be fun yeah the sport should be fun for everyone and exciting and I would love to see us get sponsorship and I think that would help for it but as a player I'm sure that you know I've had people taking photos when I'm playing in the flash is going off so distracting yeah right you know they don't know any better they don't know any better but you know hey I don't mind you.

[00:57:11] If you take photos just keep it turned the flash off right we played we played in the tournament in a mall in Taipei by the way that is such a good venue at a mall to have a big foosball tournament because you have every age group man woman rich poor everyone gets exposure to to it we're here if it's in a hotel convention room nobody gets to see it so I really loved how they try to get people involved when they had

[00:57:41] tables out where people walk and buy you just are playing but we're in a match and a kid comes up and takes one of the balls out of the ball so he could go to another table and play so I mean well you're going to do yell at the kid right it's like hey kid let me give you a different ball I need that one but of course he's trying to use the one.

[00:58:03] Yeah so I tried Chinese before French anyway so for those who are unaware first of all Dan I mean you've been

[00:58:19] roughing for 24 years how long have you been playing what was the first time you saw foosball table and how old were you I'm embarrassed even say first time I saw a foosball table was probably I'd say 42 years ago 42

[00:58:38] I know I know how was it possible the old one was 33 yeah started when he was two yeah yeah I saw and we it was in at our school and we played a little bit but it was you know nothing and it wasn't not until the early 90s that I started playing tournament.

[00:58:58] Okay got it I did was it a tornado the first table you played on yes got it got it very cool no and and now you're ranked pro.

[00:59:09] Yes got it yeah no it and we need to know the story between between you and Jerry what how do you guys get together and do you know as you guys do a lot of traveling together you play together what when you do first start playing together

[00:59:27] and get to know each other through foosball I mean it was at a local tournament right yeah just did the local got to know each other and then play one you know in the States here and there and then next thing you know we've played on five continents fun five continents yeah yeah but when I really got to know Dan it was at the 2010 World Cup he and I went over and we roamed with Robert Mores and Ryan Moore we all roamed together

[00:59:57] and just going and experiencing I you know I think it's kind of everyone needs to go to at least one World Cup in their life it's just it's so special I mean almost like a tell me tell me great that

[01:00:11] a delverage country for foosball players you know it's just something they have to do at least once but yeah we're moving together and getting to experience that together

[01:00:22] we really became really close friends and next thing you know we're hey there's a thing you know on the ITSF website you can see recognized tournaments it's like hey I see there's foosball tournament in Australia or Japan or let's go check it out

[01:00:36] and that's kind of how we got started just traveling around and checking out different foosball tournaments in different tables and

[01:00:44] that's awesome yeah really got to do it's just amazing people from all over the world that's awesome are you guys married

[01:00:57] you not together it's good

[01:01:04] and if I was I probably wouldn't be able to travel and spend money for virtually on foosball tournaments like I do

[01:01:11] yeah I'd be in the doghouse for sure yeah then do you have a significant other that's not Jerry

[01:01:19] I am not married but I do have a serious girlfriend but she she supports and understands my love of the game

[01:01:26] I mean I have a you know a thousand square foot foosball room that has seven tables in here so she

[01:01:33] she understands you know what what this game means to me and you know she's supportive of it and you know she's

[01:01:42] she's awesome for doing that so but she doesn't play so that helps probably better that she doesn't

[01:01:52] I've tried to get my wife to play she she don't want anything to do the she didn't know

[01:01:56] yeah she didn't want nothing to do it so you know we've had the conversation I think the reason my

[01:02:01] wife is so supportive is because she can finally get the house to herself and I want to leave for

[01:02:06] like get out just get out now it's she's been very cool very cool yeah my wife doesn't want me to leave

[01:02:13] she you know but it's like I've told her so I I've been competing my whole life I played hockey my

[01:02:19] whole life I started skating when I was three and then when hockey stopped I found foosball and

[01:02:24] foosball is my competitive and I love foosball man so whenever I have a chance to go play you know

[01:02:30] I want to go play and she's she's been real good about it but moving to the south has helped me

[01:02:36] my game has improved drastically because of I'm just exposed to more foosball no no knock on

[01:02:41] the on the northeast but there's way more foosball down here I can drive to tournaments it's

[01:02:47] cost effective the player base is thicker it's deeper a lot more pro players so you know it's

[01:02:53] if I can hit four five six tournaments a year it's you know it makes a huge difference you know

[01:02:58] like as opposed to you guys you guys just have such a deep base in Colorado um you know again if I

[01:03:05] wanted to if oh there's a tournament in Japan I want to go I'm gonna go play that's gonna cost me

[01:03:10] a hundred grand I gotta take my wife she wants to go shopping oh man you might have my secret

[01:03:18] is I work for an airline so I fly for really cheap so that's awesome nice that's I'm really lucky

[01:03:25] that I've always loved to travel and I've always loved foosball I never thought the two would come

[01:03:30] together like they do it just kind of worked out for me um so I'm very fortunate and I get to do

[01:03:37] things that other people can't do because of that yeah in the frame that we've made along the way

[01:03:42] in in all countries I mean there's 20 countries that we could go to that they know we're coming and

[01:03:48] and you know we got a place to stay they take care of our food and everything we want

[01:03:53] we know that because it's happened you know hey we go down in Australia you know we give Danny a

[01:03:58] column we're staying in his house and and uh you know everything's taken care of so it's an amazing

[01:04:06] adventure that we've been on over the last you know Jerry and I together about 10 years

[01:04:11] and that's a beautiful thing about 13 years yeah 13 years and again that's the beautiful thing

[01:04:17] about the foosball community you know like you know it really is yeah man we take care of each other

[01:04:24] it's tight knit I love it I love it it's very very true so guys I got to know um out of all the

[01:04:30] different places you've been uh what's the most unusual table not the most difficult but the most

[01:04:35] unusual table you've ever played on Chilean table yeah from Chile the round foot it's a table that

[01:04:45] has a round foot with a rubber boot on it around with a sexual rubber boot yeah so but he has one

[01:04:52] foot and it's round it's pretty small and I believe the men are metal and so the weight of it

[01:05:00] feels similar to a bonzini okay because it's not counterbalanced right and yeah sometimes when

[01:05:07] you're playing a match feels more like a pinball machine than a foosball tournament you know it's

[01:05:13] bouncing all around but I will give it to him when you make the goal they've got a little metal

[01:05:17] plate and it makes a really cool sound so yeah it sounds like a cowbell it's when it goes in

[01:05:24] well yeah they gave me one of those I have it hanging up it's pretty cool and the matches down

[01:05:29] there were timed ready set goal they have a timer that's really and and when time is up whoever has

[01:05:36] the lead wins the match it can be two three whoa or it can be seven one um but when the time runs

[01:05:45] up whoever's ahead wins a match if it's tied next goal wins no doubt so yeah huh and we went to

[01:05:52] a tournament down there like two years ago and they had the ITSF tournament that played on bonzini

[01:05:58] was for Nino and one other table it was me and her maybe yeah and then they had their own country

[01:06:05] tournament that you could participate in that was on their table so one room was all the tables

[01:06:11] that we know and then one room was all there they're sure that's the mushroom from Brazil that's

[01:06:17] Brazil yeah I was talking to him right down in Chile okay what's the name of the table and chilly do

[01:06:22] you guys know I want to go to look I don't remember Jerry's got one of the men from it

[01:06:30] but I don't remember the name of the table yeah which one we were in my place I could show you all

[01:06:35] the different men style but before we ever went down there I saw a flyer online and on their table

[01:06:42] they actually played for a car come yeah it was really interesting yeah I couldn't leave it

[01:06:47] I was like man how are they playing for a car down there and what we get a table maybe

[01:06:53] yeah yeah yeah so what what kind of what kind of car was it a Hugo I mean what what are we talking

[01:06:59] it yeah it wasn't a Ferrari yeah it was it was a table you know made in Chile so yeah yeah

[01:07:06] they yeah you know look more like like a VW bug or something it was yeah but still it's car hey

[01:07:14] yeah smart car to have some cars to sell the smart car there you go Mercedes-Benz smart car I take it

[01:07:19] if it listen free is my favorite four letter f word so let's go man let's go so what's

[01:07:28] what's the most unusual country you visited together what and what France yeah stop

[01:07:34] this is right are we talking Fuzball or otherwise I would say just in general like you know the most

[01:07:42] surprising place you have gone when it comes traveling for Fuzball Egypt

[01:07:48] Egypt very interesting well we didn't play Fuzball there but we went to a tournament

[01:07:55] on the black sea and then from there when we went down to Turkey went down to Egypt we saw

[01:07:59] the pyramids and then we went over to Jordan and uh saw Petra yeah but for Fuzball I don't know I mean

[01:08:10] I mean in India you're driving down the street and there's cows all over just walking

[01:08:16] into the street and you're driving around them and they're sacred sacred sacred you know I had a snake

[01:08:22] today I had a snake today and I got a video and I had a video read your rare rib eye today it was

[01:08:29] amazing I when we're in India I had a smuggle in some beef jerky wow how did how did the water in India

[01:08:38] taste was it delicious yeah just two and 12 that's what I that's what I imagine good

[01:08:45] as well yeah yeah it was pretty much all bottled water okay yeah bottled in India yeah you know

[01:08:54] perfect I could use a tapeworm I need to lose about 60 pounds see if I can get some from Amazon

[01:09:03] well it's we saw the pictures from from India on your Fuzball your Facebook page and I got to say

[01:09:10] I mean it looked beautiful looks like an amazing place um and now it was mostly when it came

[01:09:16] came to the Fuzball there in India what was it like with there were there a lot of pros or I mean

[01:09:21] what was the level of proficiency there well they have their own table and I don't remember

[01:09:27] the name of it they did have one fireball oh and they had about 17 of their tables and some of

[01:09:36] more newer some more older some played better than others uh they had I'd say the average age

[01:09:43] of the player in that tournament was probably under 18 for sure wow and some of them weren't bad

[01:09:52] they had uh was it Ashok yes Ashok Aski was their their promoter their does a great coordinator

[01:10:02] really nice he put a lot of work in and you know there's a guy came from UK to play um

[01:10:11] and there was three of us from here that went and it was uh it was fun it was a lot of fun

[01:10:18] it really enjoyed playing the kids were awesome they it was in a in the gymnasium of a

[01:10:26] school and you know they had some we don't know who they were but guys came in and they stopped

[01:10:33] everybody and it was kind of a ceremony when these guys came in and they sat on cat couches

[01:10:38] and they moved the table right up next to him for us to play an exhibition match so they were

[01:10:42] politicians or something I don't know but so I mean they they really hosted as well and made

[01:10:49] us feel welcome and uh it was it was a very unique experience table was a little tough to play on

[01:10:57] the ball had no weight a silly fan could affect the motion of the ball he couldn't set it up

[01:11:03] um huh but that's part of it when you play we played on more than 10 different styles of tables

[01:11:11] it's really what we're saying before you figure out what works and you stick with it you don't

[01:11:18] you know don't get too fancy he just don't even yeah really basic stuff um

[01:11:25] um you figure out the limitations of the different tables and you have to do it really quick or

[01:11:31] you're not going to make it very far yeah understood wow that's uh it just seems to me that

[01:11:38] especially as referees from country to country table the table it's got to change the rules a bit

[01:11:43] doesn't it well so the official answer is no okay when we go to tournaments they're all its

[01:11:51] f pension tournaments okay that's kind of how we find out about them oh technically they're all

[01:11:56] supposed to anything that is an it s f recognized tournament needs to be using those rules

[01:12:03] are they do they know all the rules maybe not but um they're they're very honest and they want to learn

[01:12:09] and you know we usually do whether it's a clinic to show them how we play or a referee clinic

[01:12:16] we always try to to teach and certify anyone from those countries when we're over there

[01:12:22] uh so they can get better and learn the rules better um anything that yeah it's

[01:12:30] it's a challenge because the tables play so different um and you have so many players like in

[01:12:36] india so many players that don't really know anything of fuzball outside of their little fuzball

[01:12:43] community correct yeah so all the rules are new to them so but that's part of our goal is a

[01:12:49] referee commission one of our big goals is to try to get where if you play tournament in south

[01:12:55] america or the states or over in europe asia everything is being refereed the same okay that's

[01:13:03] one of our main are we there yet not anywhere close but that's our ultimate goal um

[01:13:11] and also to have the rules on the it sf website be where they're able to clarify no matter the

[01:13:19] language so we're working on getting videos on starting with the simpler rules the the ready

[01:13:26] protocol things like that where you start you know a player who just starts playing pulls up the

[01:13:32] rules on it sf ready protocol they click a link and it goes to a video that shows them what they

[01:13:38] need to do to put the ball into play cool sure or examples of if this is good um again there might

[01:13:46] be someone from africa or asia that doesn't speak any anguish there'll be like a little thumbs up

[01:13:52] green ding ding ding and then if it's an attraction that thumbs down red and that way even if they don't

[01:13:58] speak anguish they can kind of understand this is legal this is not okay illegal in the interaction so

[01:14:07] we're trying now that's one of our ideas to try to let people around the world understand

[01:14:13] the rules better and what's the interaction and from a from a referee standpoint the better the

[01:14:20] players understand the rules the easier our job is true that right oh yeah so there's no questions

[01:14:27] yes whether or not they're doing the right thing i suggest something for your videos when it comes

[01:14:32] to the thing you're not supposed to do maybe you could have like a little cartoon guy like a whammy

[01:14:36] from that game show the whammy don't do this it's um i love that show right wasn't it great

[01:14:45] pressure lock pressure lock yeah there was a guy that figured it out me a bunch of money yeah yeah

[01:14:51] they had to change it he figured out the pattern then they had to change it i remember

[01:14:57] did he get a whammy did he find no no no he never got away no no no no he got it was like it was like

[01:15:03] it was like two thousand plus a spin or what five thousand plus a spin he knew there was like a pattern

[01:15:07] and he recognized it and then he ended up he every time he won one one one one and then he ended

[01:15:13] up he got a butt load of money and then they ended up changing it to like multiple patterns there

[01:15:16] was like four patterns and then he went to like twelve or eighteen or i don't know you know every

[01:15:20] every game show has right whatever anyway uh i see i just i never get that stuff because i would

[01:15:26] love to you know whatever anyway what about what about food you guys have eaten food all over the world

[01:15:33] what's you know i mean i do too i tried to but i'm saying uh you know five different continents

[01:15:43] you've experienced a bunch of different types of food what some stuff you liked and what some

[01:15:47] stuff you didn't i like to eat so i ask everybody i and you can ask Tom i have people that come

[01:15:54] on the show i always ask them about every time talk to me yeah talk to me so dan's really adventurous

[01:16:00] if there's a street cart whatever they drop something on the ground put it back up cook it

[01:16:05] hill unit i'm really picky i'm just like if i don't know where the food came from and it's prepared

[01:16:10] right if i don't know what's in it i'm not very adventurous you fund you jumping snorkeling um scuba diving

[01:16:19] really adventurous comes to food man i i'm not adventurous uh so you're like white

[01:16:26] i mean she is i we were in i don't remember if it was the Philippines or somewhere we actually i

[01:16:33] saw a bicycle with a sidecar that had a propane tank and and i tank a hot oil and he would he'd cook

[01:16:41] up chicken whatever and right there whatever you wanted how good was it um i never try to eat

[01:16:49] stuff like that the day before i travel because sometimes there are some uh you don't want

[01:16:53] to get the score team playing yeah i got you yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah well we were over in china

[01:17:02] and we both got a really bad stomach virus and man it made it tough when i was down in Peru

[01:17:09] i was so careful just to drink out of the bottle water uh the guys at the tournament took us to a

[01:17:14] kfc they're like no we'll order everything they bring back the coke i'm drinking it i kind of

[01:17:20] ding ding i was like owning there's two ice cubes in there yeah so we were working on to beat you and

[01:17:27] yes it was a tough i it was just a waffle time after that but you know you never think about it

[01:17:33] but two ice cubes can get you and yeah we've had players over in the world cup who ate off

[01:17:38] of a food truck and got food poisoning um and they were just sick the whole time so you know when

[01:17:44] you go to these tournaments you really have to be careful what you eat especially before the tournament

[01:17:51] right because you don't yeah you don't want to be sick during the tournament i've seen it happen

[01:17:55] multiple times maybe you can be a little more adventurous after the tournament but you don't

[01:18:00] want to get sick before you're flying home on an airplane so yeah you don't want to be

[01:18:05] yeah you don't want to be making number one out of number two uh right i think it was

[01:18:10] strategy but they took us before the tournament they took us to this little street food fair thing

[01:18:16] and they have these they look like rat on a stick they little big hamster one ever yeah get hamster

[01:18:22] if they put them on a stick feel off most of the hair throw them on the grill squirt some stuff

[01:18:27] on here you go oh and come come time for the tournament to start on laying on the floor

[01:18:32] uh but then they eat them they eat them they gave them to you but the day they're used to it

[01:18:39] it doesn't matter yeah it's built up in an engine but all that did is maybe play angry and

[01:18:46] you don't want that but now you have to be really careful when you go and um you want you want to

[01:18:52] be adventurous but sometimes yeah just Japan no no worries in Japan i mean there's countries

[01:19:00] any and every food in Japan okay there are no problems but there are some some other agent countries

[01:19:06] that yeah caution you gotta be careful bring your own peanut butter and jelly you'll be all right

[01:19:13] i think yeah and we have we have done that ramen noodles uh when i travel the quarter of my

[01:19:19] suitcases food that power bars beef jerky that i bring from home yeah but it works out great as

[01:19:24] i eat the food if i buy souvenirs now i have a place to pack them back you know but yeah there's

[01:19:30] not a place i go that yeah quarter of my suitcase is a food i mean because you just never know

[01:19:36] that you can only fit so many hamburgers in two days so just to carry out a curiosity after all

[01:19:42] this time of traveling what's the one place you want to go back to the worst or the most not worst

[01:19:48] the most uh out of all the places you've been to Dan where would you like to go back to first

[01:19:53] for food ball or just for travel for foosball of course oh for foosball um

[01:20:04] boy well i'm going to coast rica here in a month and a half there you go uh it's uh it's

[01:20:09] it's an amazing tournament i've been to the last i don't know six or eight album really

[01:20:15] and they follow my birthday so it's it's a good time sweet and jerry what about what about you

[01:20:22] well you know i've played tournaments over there at least six different times but going back to

[01:20:27] Tokyo i have so many friends over there and um i just want to see my friends more than anything

[01:20:33] sure a place from foosball have some fun maybe get lucky and win a title but it's just i want to see

[01:20:39] my friends over there but i did hear that a lot of them are coming to the tournament in

[01:20:43] last vegas this year so cool yeah i always play with tukuya so he's coming so i want to partner

[01:20:50] with him in vegas so when you go there he owns a little bar he's got a couple foosball tables

[01:20:57] you know drinks he's got a place to cook up some food back there uh yeah it's really cool so

[01:21:03] yeah for me i want to make it to Tokyo this year just to see all my friends awesome what do they play

[01:21:08] on what kind of tables tornado um plan tornado okay yeah i was thinking maybe a spark ball or maybe

[01:21:15] maybe even the guardian table i think it's chinese uh well guardian you know it was designed by

[01:21:23] uh yohanis kersh and he's german but it's manufactured over in china uh

[01:21:29] uh why the way my second favorite table i've ever played on is the guardian is it just a really

[01:21:33] great table um but yeah so when it comes to japan there are tornado players but everywhere else

[01:21:41] you go in ajo is going to be probably a fireball or hopefully a guardian um i know there's been a lot

[01:21:47] of schools over there in china but um yeah so but as far as japan they're tornado players nice

[01:21:56] let's talk about the world world cup because you guys have been to what how many world cups now

[01:22:02] oh boy ten eleven twelve thirteen fifteen seventeen eight or nine eight or nine

[01:22:09] yeah that sounds right everyone since uh twenty ten okay including twenty ten they they had them

[01:22:15] every year then they went to every two years and then with kovat it kind of messed things up

[01:22:21] so then there's going to be one in twenty twenty five next year it's going to be in spain

[01:22:26] right you know i just noticed they posted that just before the the end of the year as to the

[01:22:32] fact that it is definitely going to be happening in twenty twenty five i tried to pronounce the name of

[01:22:36] the venue and i blew it yeah blew it terribly but uh so obviously you guys are ready to go that's uh

[01:22:45] i know jerry you were you were the the women's coach last time what's uh what's your role this time

[01:22:50] well you know uh cj can and i qualified i just turned 50 so we qualified for uh senior doubles so

[01:23:00] um i'm definitely it will be my first time playing but um yeah i've been coached the women the last

[01:23:05] two times over there um and coached the men's team four times four times uh yeah i of course hope to be

[01:23:13] um coached the women's team again but once the committee selects the women who are on the team

[01:23:21] they basically pick their coach so okay you know of course i would love to be a part of it but

[01:23:29] if i'm not i'm going to be following them around rooting for them every ball no matter what

[01:23:33] helping in any way i can um but yeah you you won't know until you know a few months before the

[01:23:41] tournament whether you know who knows who's going to be on the team yet you know shun not alone

[01:23:46] who's going to be a coach or anything else right and dan how about yourself what uh what do you

[01:23:51] think you'll be doing next time uh senior doubles senior singles senior mixed you know i'm qualified so

[01:23:59] cool i can i can hang with the mow guys i think i scare some of them because when i play i play

[01:24:07] with a lot of energy and i i think i scare some of them it's um i just started collecting Medicare

[01:24:14] recently like my my last birthday and um so yeah 65 and you probably scare me yeah for sure

[01:24:22] no doubt no it's uh do you think this uh this next uh 2020 with 2025 you think it's going to be

[01:24:31] the best ever or what do you what do you think is the last time it seemed like a kind of um

[01:24:36] less enthusiasm on team USA was that true i can't go that far a lot of our top players could make

[01:24:45] it for one reason or another um you know you hate to see that but i know everyone over there was

[01:24:52] just excited to be there and be a part of it i know the junior team you know just following them

[01:24:57] and watching them play i mean it's yeah you know just to see how excited they are and you know it's

[01:25:04] yeah so i i couldn't say that yeah some bench when you get a team full of uh been there done that

[01:25:10] guys is that the enthusiasm is less doesn't mean that that their heart's not in it 100 percent but

[01:25:17] the enthusiasm is is less and this last world cup there was a lot of newer people and i mean they

[01:25:24] were just blown away by what they got to to compete in and i think it's going to be a lot

[01:25:30] the same at this next one in Spain it's going to be a new venue some venues are awesome other venues

[01:25:36] uh are so good but uh so we're anxious to see what it's going to look like and uh you know we always

[01:25:45] make do and you always give it 100 percent one thing when i travel with Dan try to keep us from

[01:25:51] having a good time it's almost impossible no matter what we're gonna have a great time we're

[01:25:55] gonna find something fun to do i mean yeah that's why i love traveling with Dan i mean i can

[01:26:01] fun losing and most people have winning really interesting interest well that's i mean i mean i'm in

[01:26:08] another country playing a game yeah yeah yeah that makes sense i tell people the same thing if

[01:26:14] if it's not fun i don't want to do it mm-hmm you know good philosophy i love yeah i love

[01:26:19] foosball but i mean if i'm not having fun i'll just stay home so winter lose it doesn't matter

[01:26:24] i'm having a good time oh yeah well guys i would really like to know when it comes to the sport of

[01:26:33] foosball in 2024 uh this is put aside the fact of your referees uh Dan you first what do you want

[01:26:41] to see change in 2024 wow that's a it's a tough on the spot question mm-hmm

[01:26:53] yeah i think i'd like to see i'd like to see more of the states have their own state tournament

[01:27:06] and and not have you know all the state tournaments running Kentucky um okay but i'd like to uh

[01:27:12] he even even if you got 16 people put a flyer out there hey we're we're having Idaho State

[01:27:19] championships and you know and just think and talky yeah

[01:27:27] and uh and just just i think it would be good for the general public to know a little more that

[01:27:35] hey they've all got their own little their own little state tournaments even if it's small uh

[01:27:43] start getting it out there for the public to see Dan i appreciate that sentiment i think that's

[01:27:50] a great idea but Jerry what about you what do you want to see change for 2024 well you know you've

[01:27:55] talked about it so much on this show i listen all the time i'm a big fan i've been listening

[01:27:59] ever since the beginning and i know you've talked about it so much that players just get so frustrated

[01:28:05] that they have 30 events and you don't play for hours and you know Dan and i were lucky we've

[01:28:12] been all over and you know there's a big difference between um this twist system or the different

[01:28:18] things so but you've talked about that so i'm not gonna rehash that okay i mentioned earlier that

[01:28:25] um over in asia that they have like a venue in a big mall where it's exposed to a lot of people

[01:28:31] i really like to see someone try that instead uh you know close to a hotel or whatever but

[01:28:37] just try a different venue where we can expose it to a lot of different people and get some

[01:28:41] excitement out there and you know how many people have you met and you're like oh yeah i played

[01:28:45] infuseball tournaments and i like that's a thing what i've never heard of that before who's but

[01:28:50] you know if we could have like a venue where more people can be exposed to it i would like to see

[01:28:55] someone try something like that i think that would be really neat can i change my answer yes you

[01:29:01] can change your answer i've been to tournaments i mean big its f tournament you get there six events

[01:29:10] okay you look at the world here you count on what 51 events 51 and

[01:29:17] and start on Wednesday start on Wednesday yep as as a the senior player being in construction for 40

[01:29:26] years my shoulder it's it's wearing down i'm down to three maybe four events yeah so if i go to play

[01:29:34] senior singles i can play two matches and it might be a day and a half before i play next

[01:29:39] the next one right you know it's just the wait time you can't just go and play a certain event

[01:29:45] because of the format if you have Swiss system or whatever you played that event till it's done

[01:29:53] and then you play another one and there there is no conflict no way to and it's really neat because

[01:30:01] they're meet over to Europe everything's usually done by like eight o'clock nine o'clock everyone

[01:30:06] can go out together eat dinner together have a beer um in the finals everyone is there to watch

[01:30:13] the finals aren't at five o'clock in the morning and yeah but you know so we're really fortunate that

[01:30:19] we've seen a lot of different styles of different ways people run tournaments and um i get as a rookie

[01:30:27] if i go to an event i want to play as much as i can i get it i get where they're coming from but

[01:30:32] i i know so many people that don't tour anymore because yeah waiting around for a day and

[01:30:38] have to play a match it just and always trying to warm up and try to warm up just hoping that

[01:30:43] you're going to play and then of course when you get called up you're not warmed up you know

[01:30:48] so that's a killer so two things i you know i got um i have a gentleman there's a place at our mall

[01:30:56] and you can let's not for the public anyway he's got a spot called bumper nets all right his name's

[01:31:07] Homer Brown wonderful gentleman and he um he was i think he was on the senior Olympic team

[01:31:13] for table tennis right yep he's been asking he's been asking me to run tournaments at his place at

[01:31:19] the mall i think that would be great just there's a hotel there's a hotel attached to it and he

[01:31:27] wants to help sponsor these tournaments i just i don't know how to get it going i want to do it i

[01:31:33] just don't know how to get it i think that would be a great way to expose it to again everyone every

[01:31:39] age group every uh every diverse person that comes through you know they and when you play and they

[01:31:47] see the excitement they're drawn to it yeah like wow look at that but if they're never exposed to it so

[01:31:52] i i you know i don't run tournaments but uh i'm sure there's someone who has experienced running

[01:31:59] tournaments that could help you put that together i think that would be an amazing menu yeah i would

[01:32:03] love to i would love to get it going mat maqori is the guy to talk to mat in buffalo seven one so

[01:32:09] this is this is essentially where we're at i think homeers got like three tables and i told them

[01:32:15] i said we'd probably need like you know eight to ten tables so run a small state and he's got a

[01:32:21] he's got a deal with the hotel he can get us rooms and we're like 20 minutes from the airport

[01:32:26] like we could do something decent there you know it's just a matter of um you know the tables

[01:32:32] and then the weekend and just getting it going like you said even if we did something small like a

[01:32:36] $3,500 or you know just just something but um yeah i would love to i would love to i would love to

[01:32:43] get it going i've i've i ran a small dyp there and there was only a couple guys that showed up but

[01:32:49] there were there were people that came by they watched they were interested and and i think it could

[01:32:54] be again another thing that's an that's an issue is the time the time constraints because

[01:32:59] the malls only open from ten in the morning to nine or ten at night so we'd have to limit events

[01:33:05] which i'm all for i'm all for that you know like dan said 51 events that's that's stinking that's

[01:33:11] outrageous i'm sorry but um it's it is it's it's a lot uh but that's that's one thing i you know

[01:33:21] i would love to see that happen and i'd love to get that going and i just need some help and

[01:33:26] anybody listening if if you have any ideas or you want to pitch in please let me know but i have

[01:33:30] the resource i have the you know i have the the guy who wants to help out who's got a spot who

[01:33:35] you know wants to help sponsor an alabama state tournament and i think that would be you know

[01:33:39] that would be pretty awesome not in lexington actually in Birmingham alabama

[01:33:43] yeah oh yeah oh show up yeah yeah let us know cool look and i mean i got room in my house i'd put

[01:33:50] you guys up so uh you know it's it'd be it'd be pretty cool but um i had something else i was

[01:33:57] going to say but now my brain is getting wonky dancing dancer but dancer me off so uh uh uh

[01:34:04] no but so go ahead well the the you know well the events thing is is kind of crazy but um

[01:34:12] i think i was going to ask you guys about the points

[01:34:16] because i already had that too yeah that was uh that was one of my questions yep we know

[01:34:21] no i have people it's man like why do we have why do why do we you have nothing to do with that

[01:34:27] but i just i'm always curious like why do we have to have eight different brat like what's the

[01:34:31] difference between a rookie and a amateur really? so anyway yeah i mean so right be gizzy its

[01:34:44] it's sf is just there's there's no i mean there's points that you earn to be rated the top play of

[01:34:51] like but there's everything is just open correct like there's no division.

[01:34:55] So there they have men's and women's so they're separated so yeah they don't really you know

[01:35:02] it's it's different than what we have we're here we have women's that only women can play in

[01:35:06] and then open or whatever that everyone can play in but yeah over there they have a point system

[01:35:13] that's different you know it's when they sanctioned tournament it's either a pro tournament

[01:35:17] and i think that's like 50 points if you win that then there's a master's tournament that's like

[01:35:22] 100 points if you win it then like an international is 120 points if you win and a world championship

[01:35:29] 150 points only i believe your top seven results count so one year they have one guy who went

[01:35:38] to every tournament wasn't very good but was like rank number two in the world because

[01:35:42] went to a project tournament so now they just take your your best step your best seven results

[01:35:48] and it's on a rolling calendar year which i think is kind of cool because you know say i played

[01:35:55] over in a tournament in London and if i don't make that tournament the next year if i don't play

[01:36:00] those points are gonna fall off and i'm gonna drop way down you know so it kind of encourages people

[01:36:06] and it's really not who the best player is because if Fred's not touring or at their whoever's

[01:36:11] over there they're not counted in those results but what's cool about it you can see who the

[01:36:18] active best players are the ones that are out there to actually make any difference and

[01:36:24] so and then again they reset on a calendar year are yeah so you know if you play tournament

[01:36:32] May and you don't play that tournament again your your results are gonna fall off so

[01:36:38] so they do it differently over there and the points don't really matter because you have to

[01:36:43] qualify you know whether it's around Robin or a Swiss system tournament okay everyone kind

[01:36:48] of qualifies and that's how it's seeded and what's cool about that you you never go too and out

[01:36:53] of anything whether it's you know five rounds seven rounds nine rounds you get to play a lot

[01:37:00] of different people and with different ones no matter what you're getting a little bang for your

[01:37:04] buck and then how how you do in that allifies you to how you're gonna be ranked when it goes down

[01:37:11] whether that's a single elimination or double elimination however they decide to do it yeah so

[01:37:17] accruing points like what do you get for accruing points essentially the end of the year you have

[01:37:21] you know 800 points what you know what does that turn into well the top 16 are automatically qualified

[01:37:28] for the world cup the little cup is an alternative that you show up pay your entry free and play

[01:37:33] you have to qualify and the top 16 are automatically qualified other than that you have to win

[01:37:40] one of the the tournaments that has a qualifier and here in the states we don't have that many

[01:37:48] we did better in in 23 and I think 24 it's gonna be better or we're gonna have more qualifying

[01:37:54] events so you have to win one of those to be able to go so but the top 16 points wise

[01:38:03] uh you your eligible will go play in the world championships and then they also have a

[01:38:08] reimbursement packages so if if you do qualify points wise or whatever when you go over there

[01:38:14] that'll give you 800 euro if you travel from one spot maybe 1200 from a different spot so you get

[01:38:21] some of the money to help occur the expenses of going over there so that's that's incentive

[01:38:27] right there that's incentive and and and bragging rights right yeah yeah yeah wow yeah but you know

[01:38:34] over there it's not all about the money it's more they don't play for a lot of money and here are

[01:38:39] everything's about how much I can win this and that and I get that because you know it's

[01:38:43] like to go to a tournament and even if you win you're gonna lose money but over there it's more about

[01:38:50] yeah they don't have a lot of cool trophies or you know when thousands of dollars it's

[01:38:56] more of the love of the game and for the glory we've been to a lot of tournaments where there is no

[01:39:00] price money yeah nothing so when you go you know you're not gonna win any money but you can come

[01:39:05] away with a pretty cool trophy yeah and the bragging rights of course it's um yeah absolutely

[01:39:11] I just noticed in the ITSF they just announced their points a few uh a few days ago I guess

[01:39:16] and I saw it posted on Facebook and now Tony Spratiman uh in the singles division is number two

[01:39:21] already and he's only been there what eight months he yeah you know I miss him so much not

[01:39:28] seem as many tournaments over here but um yeah he's over there playing on all the different types

[01:39:35] of tables and more everyone says you know Frederick he's the best player ever on all the different

[01:39:41] types of tables and no one can question that but it's not gonna be long before everyone's like

[01:39:47] note Tony's the best of all time on every table uh yeah you know it's not gonna take him long at all

[01:39:52] yeah I mean he's not even there are yearnings already number two in the rankings so that's pretty

[01:39:57] you know it's really hard to be ranked over here we don't have that many ranked tournaments

[01:40:00] were over there they have so many ranked tournaments it's a lot easier to get points where

[01:40:05] you know with we only have four or five over here a year and the top seven count how can

[01:40:11] the US players be ranked for the ITSF unless you hit a bunch of international stuff on top of it

[01:40:17] so over there and traveling around is a lot easier right it's yeah to all the different countries

[01:40:24] by train or whatever so he's gonna he's gonna hit so many tournaments and get so much experience

[01:40:30] and learn the players yeah I mean he's gonna be winning everything over there and then come back

[01:40:36] here and win everything too when he comes back for him too like he's won just about everything except

[01:40:41] for singles at the World Cup right that's like the only thing he kind of has at one so I think

[01:40:47] you're right yeah Ryan Moore has but I don't think Tony said anything yeah Tony doesn't so I think

[01:40:53] you know for 20-25 that would be my perfect good 20-25 what for Frank going single from there

[01:40:59] yeah yeah yeah you know uh and his mindset I mean you guys you know you guys know it's no no

[01:41:07] it's not a secret but um so I I remembered what I what I was gonna ask you guys about so Kentucky coming

[01:41:14] up uh they're gonna um debut that championship uh singles and doubles you know where uh winner the

[01:41:22] winners is the final and then winner the losers um place the second place yeah tops out at third right

[01:41:29] um you know how do you guys how do you guys feel about that I guess feel about that you like that

[01:41:35] we do that locally quite a bit uh not quite a bit but a decent amount so I've been exposed to it

[01:41:44] enough uh and and to be to be fair um to the guys who win they you know you didn't lose what other

[01:41:55] sport is double elimination so the tournaments that have you know football that has a double

[01:42:02] elimination it does give the players a second chance they get get more play in stuff like that

[01:42:08] chance to improve and and get more table time and to be able to play for second after you've

[01:42:14] been eliminated that's a bonus in itself true that so I like it from from that aspect of hey I won

[01:42:23] because I never lost and there are you know a pretty good history of people who have come back

[01:42:30] and doubled it but I won because I never lost and here this guy is winning and I beat him you know

[01:42:40] when it came down to it I beat him and now he's the winner and I'm not yeah um yeah so I I kind

[01:42:48] of like it if you want to win be ready be prepared and and take it down yeah no and I and I

[01:42:56] agree because you know how many times like you talked about right playing a final at 5am where you

[01:43:03] you know you play well you don't lose you win the winners bracket and then you sit for a day

[01:43:09] and a half right and and this guy comes through the losers bracket hot

[01:43:17] and then and then oh it's time to play your final it's four in the morning and he's just

[01:43:21] he's been playing and you gotta come out and and it's almost to the point now where he doesn't

[01:43:27] have to be you you got to beat him yeah yes I like it I'm actually I'm I'm excited about it

[01:43:33] I think it's going to be really good plus when you're done when you're done you're done right

[01:43:37] you win right there's a place to go home you don't want to go out have a state

[01:43:41] happening in the nationals I put Brandon Munoz in the losers and so I'm sitting

[01:43:46] in team seat for like said day and a half now he's playing Queen seat match and then but we're playing

[01:43:55] that's tough yeah you know he's he's fired up and ready to go I was fired up and ready to go

[01:44:02] Thursday afternoon yeah yeah I really like it at local tournaments because every

[01:44:08] words the person you can come out you win you win you win now you're not sitting around until

[01:44:13] you know midnight two in the morning waiting to play you win you can get your money can still

[01:44:18] hang out with your friends and sure amount or you can go home and you know get some sleep and be

[01:44:22] ready for work and it rewards the the better players so I don't know how it's going to work

[01:44:28] for a big tournament but I really like it at a local tournament yeah we'll have to wait and see

[01:44:33] right it's a TKO will tell the tell the story incidentally yeah I'm interested in here you guys

[01:44:39] talk about it after it's all said and done what's what's your plans for 2024's forest tournaments

[01:44:45] go Dan what what's your next tournament um Costa Rica is doing in March it's gonna be my next one

[01:44:53] and then I have some that I really like going to uh chilly is always a really good tournament

[01:45:00] chilly good people they they uh they're really good hosts and Brazil was good uh India was fun

[01:45:10] but a lot of what we did in India for 10 days was was seeing India we stayed in a lot of time

[01:45:16] going job and then we went down and saw a lot of other things so I might try to find another one

[01:45:24] similar to that that's a new place that we haven't been before and try to get some more experiences in

[01:45:31] so you know it's kind of wait a little bit and see what because they put it up on ITSF

[01:45:36] and kind of see what comes up and uh make the plans from there and uh Jerry how about you guys

[01:45:42] have you guys been to Portugal no no what are you waiting for

[01:45:55] even even just so my family's from the azoors I'm Portuguese first generation born here uh

[01:46:01] the now the continent's different but it's beautiful the food is really good the people uh

[01:46:08] I mean Portuguese people are you know I mean you're talking to one so anyway uh but

[01:46:15] in winter in spring in 2025 maybe we'll try to take a little bit of time to hop in a train and go over

[01:46:20] yeah go over there and I'd like to hit the rock the one we're over there and so that'll

[01:46:24] probably be the little area we stick with yeah yeah I just you know Portugal so being

[01:46:32] the azoors chain islands off the um off the west coast of Portugal uh same michael's

[01:46:38] with my family so I'm it's just you know it's simple it's not it's you know it's kind of the

[01:46:42] poor island both really really pretty uh but uh my parents they were recently they they did like a

[01:46:48] 30-day tour of Europe and they went to the continent they loved that they said it was beautiful so

[01:46:54] uh but yeah Jerry what are you hitting the cheque? Nice yeah hit it out man the food's good the food's

[01:47:00] what's uh Jerry what is your next tournament by the way? It's going to be Costa Rica as well

[01:47:06] it's coming up really quick they just do such a great job down there it's a lot of fun um

[01:47:14] they always have a little thing for fuzball players after the tournament they

[01:47:19] have different excursions you can travel around with everyone last time I was down there I was

[01:47:24] really lucky Brandon Munoz uh and uh Diego from Peru we all got a car and Brandon drove us around

[01:47:31] for like six days and showed us all around it's just amazing they they treat you so well and I

[01:47:37] I've been there not as many times as Dan but I have a lot of friends down there and um really

[01:47:42] looking forward it's beautiful I do love the food down in Costa Rica um but outside of that

[01:47:48] I want to go to quite a few international tournaments this year and I and um same thing you really

[01:47:55] never know until they posted on the i.t.s.f website it's like oh and again I want to go see my friends

[01:48:01] in Tokyo but outside of that I want to go new places I want to meet new people I want to go

[01:48:05] to places that I've never seen and you know make new friends and it's always nice to take a couple

[01:48:10] days before after the tournament to see um all of the you know the culture and the local scene so

[01:48:19] but yeah I want to I definitely want to hit some some good ones up this year Dan we've been known

[01:48:23] to make a plan on Tuesday and leave on Friday so that's a nice wow nice nice

[01:48:31] nice if I want to day off I got asked six months in advance so it's like man

[01:48:37] that's brutal it is it is tough so what about what about like you know North American tournaments

[01:48:44] no no you know I mean Colorado State you guys obviously probably be there but um but I mean

[01:48:50] no worlds no you know nothing else I feel like the world's very often it's just me personally

[01:48:57] I'm not gonna win um you know so uh but you know what's really cool is for the same money

[01:49:05] that I can spend on going the world it's Dan and I could go to a tournament down in South America

[01:49:09] and I it's I have a way better time than going on something like that for the same money

[01:49:16] and the same time vacation time because yeah now we're all limited what we could do so um I don't

[01:49:23] really ever go to worlds but I'm definitely going to uh lost Vegas this year yes um

[01:49:28] and you know I think Texas State is one of the best tournaments and it's great thing for the

[01:49:32] buck I mean the Bartow I mean it's special in its own way um but yeah outside of Vegas and

[01:49:38] Costa Rica I really don't have anything on the books but um I'd like to maybe hit some tournaments like

[01:49:45] um maybe up in West Conston or Michigan Mike Staldas such a great job I've never been here so

[01:49:51] I'd love to go maybe to something new instead of going to the you know I've been to Texas State

[01:49:57] you know 12 times great friends and it's ran really really well but go go see something new

[01:50:04] you know yeah Michigan's highly recommend that I like to do this year yeah absolutely yeah yeah

[01:50:09] up and uh there are you know other things obviously in Colorado you've got Colorado State

[01:50:16] do you guys go to that tournament every year? Every year oh yeah yeah yeah and I

[01:50:22] appreciate nationals is going to be in Colorado again hmm okay very cool now we just um we're

[01:50:28] hearing about in Florida too they're starting a brand new tour there and uh they just recently announced

[01:50:35] I believe it's called the um they um oh the name escapes me is it the is it the battle of the

[01:50:42] bayou or something like that no it's actually the swamp the romp and the swamp yeah yeah I've got

[01:50:49] a ring down here it's uh let's see it's coming up on um September 26 is called the Masters Open

[01:50:56] Championships oh yeah whatever in clear water whatever what yeah but no I know they're

[01:51:05] they're they're they're building a new uh regional tour in Florida and by the way hey to Mike

[01:51:10] Greene we joined us tonight on twitch tv where we want to shout out to Mike because of course he's

[01:51:17] been spent a lot of time promoting in his area now oh yeah and great stories I like really hearing

[01:51:22] the stories yes he's got some good ones oh yeah no question yeah get them off the air they're better

[01:51:30] the unsushered version yeah yeah they're always better I know that uh Rob Cadel is going to be doing

[01:51:38] the Masters Championship I believe the Masters open something like that but still so it's on the

[01:51:44] ifp website so I think I think it's still Rob's tournament but I think they're using Mary's

[01:51:50] table in software don't quote me okay yeah I went to beach town beat down last year uh Tommy does a

[01:51:56] great job had a lot of fun it yes it's more of a kind of a party drinking type tournament um it was

[01:52:04] a lot of fun I really enjoyed it did you I might do that again but probably not that one in Florida

[01:52:09] did you well he's got Tommy's yeah he's got that one and then like I said I think

[01:52:16] that because Florida's they're promoting their own tour they're going to do four tournaments

[01:52:21] quarterly one in Jacksonville one in Tampa one in south florida and then one in Orlando uh they're

[01:52:28] they're putting you know I'm not on Facebook but um I get the information through other sources and

[01:52:34] they that's why I think they they got one coming out they promoting it called the romp in the swamp

[01:52:40] oh okay I think that's a great idea yeah they're doing the wrong thing

[01:52:45] that's a great idea they have such great player based down there I mean yeah we're lucky here in

[01:52:52] Colorado but like Florida is just amazing scene so they can it's like Texas they can basically

[01:52:59] you know uh have their own tournaments and have great players there and really no one has to come in from

[01:53:05] uh another state and still gonna be amazing yeah very true yeah we wish those guys lots of luck

[01:53:11] and and of course if they do it during the the winter it's it's great because us uh

[01:53:15] northern people would more than rather be in Florida yeah go snow bird snow bird in place in

[01:53:22] the football you can go you can go romp in the swamp I'm not romping in no day swamp it's crazy

[01:53:27] yeah well I hear gator gator this time of the year is mighty tender so yeah whatever

[01:53:33] this why I was character gun you never know what a creep up on me

[01:53:38] there might be some cringies down there yeah whatever oh whatever we we let's go be we pooh

[01:53:45] well you know it's it's uh it's really interesting whenever something changes and gets everybody's

[01:53:53] attention especially when it comes to the ITSF rules um what just as a closing thought here

[01:54:01] what is it about the the rules that you guys have noticed that um probably shouldn't have been changed

[01:54:06] anything well I would never say anything about the rules commission that's their job okay uh yeah

[01:54:13] no they do a great job they work hard it's not our job we can give them suggestions behind the scenes

[01:54:19] what we think um whether they listen to us or not you know um so that's not really my job what I

[01:54:29] would love to see as a referee is I hate gray areas I want things to be black and white really easy

[01:54:35] to call um very little interpretation on our part that way it's the referee uh more in unison

[01:54:44] every match so for me if they were gonna change something I just take away the gray areas as much

[01:54:50] as possible and black and white it makes it easier for a referee and the players as well right

[01:54:54] the less arguments less um disagreements because I when I play Fuzball and someone just wants to

[01:55:01] argue it it just makes it no fun for me and I'm like why am I doing this so yeah let's gray area for

[01:55:07] me that's what I would like to see changed me I'm happy go more again you know every at the

[01:55:15] sport you hear basketball football right they're down in the trenches they're talking to each other

[01:55:22] they're doing and saying everything they can but when it comes time to play they're ready to play

[01:55:26] there's nothing's gonna take their focus off what they've got to do so you can be screaming and yelling

[01:55:32] and it's like their death they they're there to play um that's the style of Fuzball as a player

[01:55:40] that I like and 100% agree with Jerry from a referee standpoint um the gray areas are tough

[01:55:49] and that's where the rules commission is worked real hard on taking as many of those away as you

[01:55:53] can but you're never going to take all of them away you know a jar things like that my reset is pretty

[01:55:59] clear but a jar it's third tough never gonna get rid of them but uh yeah and as a referee you know

[01:56:06] the hockey game you know sometimes they call everything they get control the match right away

[01:56:11] sometimes they let them play a little bit you know as a referee you know maybe if it's a couple

[01:56:16] rough players you you call it a little different you don't want it to get out of control but just

[01:56:20] call it consistently right here what you let one player do you're letting the other player do

[01:56:25] and you know if it's someone who's really rough you might need to buckle down a little bit before

[01:56:31] you let the match get out of control I remember a world a couple years ago that with Bobby and Tommy

[01:56:36] and you know it got out of control pretty quick and let's get more detail here what are we talking

[01:56:43] about here what we talking about out of control yeah yeah was that what's that more more details

[01:56:50] what what got out of control what what do you think happened there oh just Bobby being Bobby

[01:56:56] and Tommy being Bobby was that was that was that the first Tommy Tommy played with Rob

[01:57:02] Athan they won they were the winners yeah I remember that one there's a lot of yapping

[01:57:06] lot of yapping but they got Dave council come in the second match and he took control of that right

[01:57:12] away he's he's a good ref he's a really good ref yeah he's no joke yeah as a ref and as a man

[01:57:20] yeah you don't want to you don't want to piss him off yeah he took control of that match and the

[01:57:25] second match was much different than the first one that's for sure interesting so it was the

[01:57:30] the ref that made the difference then I believe in that match actually he's the one that certified me

[01:57:36] as a ref back in 1991 or something wow 1891 yeah yeah well it's it's uh yeah I mean like you say we

[01:57:48] need to to generate more interest in being coming reps and of course this this this pursuit if

[01:57:53] you want to know if you want to hear more about it we certainly would like to have you guys back

[01:57:59] to talk about that specifically how do we gentlemen yes more interest in that again we're going

[01:58:04] to do a meeting with the rules committee and probably have some people from the sports commission

[01:58:08] on there and the referee committee where we really talk about detailed scenarios and what happens

[01:58:14] in this situation and that situation so you know after we do that if you want to have us back on

[01:58:21] and have people call in or whatever and ask more detailed questions and scenarios and we'd

[01:58:27] really like that Dan and I are going to be out of tournament and the tournament director can make

[01:58:33] time where we can do a referee clinic and get more people certified if they're more interested

[01:58:41] we need more good arrests please reach out to us that's what we want to do we want to help we want

[01:58:49] do anything we can in that aspect cool I would love to I would love to get certified

[01:58:54] I really would yeah yeah for refereeing thank you yes I think I think I think they should add

[01:59:05] a stupid rule to be honest with you you know like if you do something like here you're being penalized

[01:59:11] for being dumb you're stupid here oh my god we call that all right yeah and it's at the

[01:59:16] rest discretion that's it you're stupid Dr. Bull shot that's it yeah I think we get that sanction

[01:59:24] let's go that reminds me I'm curious that there is a penalty called a penalty shot

[01:59:31] for the time that I've been playing football I've never seen someone given been given a being

[01:59:35] given a penalty shot during a major tournament why is that I've seen it quite a bit I've seen it quite

[01:59:39] a bit I've seen it really I've just never seen it on video or I've never noticed it in play

[01:59:47] well yeah I think most players are really honest they're not trying to push the rules

[01:59:52] to get a penalty shot you really have to have at least three distractions or three jars or

[01:59:58] be really resteading a lot and you know after you get balled for a warning or two yeah but again I

[02:00:05] think most football players and that's one of the things I love they're just really honest good people

[02:00:10] that take the games seriously yeah couple bad outcomes absolutely but overall

[02:00:16] yeah I'm proud to call my friends I hope we've done video but I had to play a couple of Germans at

[02:00:23] the World Championships it was in I think it was Hamburg and I called the ref and I got five

[02:00:32] penalty shots really nice nice or five penalty shots yeah they were they were tough so I was playing

[02:00:40] with Mr. Iceman and we won the match and he reached in got the ball out of the table and threw it

[02:00:48] far as he could be through the ball nice oh that's hilarious as we haven't talked to iceman

[02:00:56] in quite a while how's he doing have you talked to iceman of late haven't seen it um

[02:01:02] time last year uh seem to be doing good cool still going the UPS thing seems to be doing good yeah

[02:01:09] no he's a great guy last year so last year was like a week ago

[02:01:18] thank you sir yeah see yeah yeah I get the calendar right

[02:01:25] well you know it's uh we're we're we're looking forward to 2024 I think I just have this sixth

[02:01:31] sense about this year I think it's going to be one of the better years recently because everybody

[02:01:35] started to really get back into swing of things covid is behind us finally and you know we can

[02:01:39] do what we need to do and I think there's an enthusiasm in the air now um you know fuzzball clubs

[02:01:45] USA always want to mention those guys because Michael stall is now really generating interest with

[02:01:50] the younger generation getting lots of kids involved you know and I think that's going to be the year

[02:01:55] of bringing new players into the into this field for sure just yeah I really like that he got a

[02:02:03] point into that position I think he's going to do an amazing job they choose the field no doubt but

[02:02:08] oh sure uh i think he's the right guy yeah no question about it well well guys uh i'm going to give

[02:02:14] you one more shot what when it comes to uh the show anything that you'd like to add to what we

[02:02:20] talked about tonight whether it's the rules or your careers as uh as referees what would you

[02:02:24] like to say before you go Dan and I just think I'd like to encourage all the players just uh like

[02:02:32] we mentioned earlier uh the rule changes if you play the same game you're not going to have any issues

[02:02:39] brief room be aware of them if you do have questions feel free to uh post on there and

[02:02:46] and we'll do our best to try to clarify those awesome Jerry um yeah it's the same thing um I hope

[02:02:56] this year we can put some videos out to help clarify things and um it would be nice to have

[02:03:01] him linked with the rules uh we'll do our best if people have suggestions on what rules and

[02:03:06] videos that we should make um PM me or Dan let us know how we can and uh we'll try to address it

[02:03:13] as best as we can and uh yeah I hope everyone has a great year ready it's in your court um now

[02:03:23] thanks for coming on guys i mean great insight um you know for thank you for clearing some things up

[02:03:29] um I just i love talking about fuzball always have a good time and i appreciate uh talking to people who

[02:03:39] who also enjoy and love fuzball so especially guys who are as well traveled and well played as

[02:03:44] yourself so thank you again for coming on thanks for having me Tom i always have a good time i love

[02:03:48] fuzball still don't like French people but i love them let's go nothing changes nothing changes

[02:03:55] well Jerry and dad i gotta say first of all it's it's an absolute pleasure getting a chance to chat

[02:03:59] with you i think this uh because you've you've seen so much and done so much within the the world

[02:04:04] of fuzball it's always enlightening but uh love your dedication love your passion um and uh hopefully

[02:04:11] you know in one of these uh maybe in 2024 we'll be in the same room sometime and we can sit down

[02:04:16] and and really chat i would say i really like that yeah no it's been a fun walk thank you

[02:04:22] awesome and thanks again to everybody who's tuned in tonight on twitch tv including mike green we've

[02:04:27] miss you mike uh also uh oh we've got a bunch of people here that uh we want to mention fuzman 95

[02:04:34] good win six six seven hundred i mean everybody that's uh tuned in tonight and asked a question or

[02:04:40] just watched and listened uh thank you so much for tuning into fuztalk live it's great to be back

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