Charles Mackintosh, legendary promoter, player and Hall of Famer, makes for an excellent 200th episode of FoosTalk Live!
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[00:02:07] Yes, it's episode 200 of Foostalk Live.
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[00:02:16] Hope you're enjoying the holiday. It's official. We have now been gathering each week to do a live chat
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[00:02:37] When Jim Stevens and I first decided to do this Foosball Radio and bet a podcast for about two years,
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[00:04:08] More recently, I've been very blessed and been able to work with other great talent,
[00:04:14] including Hannity Smith, Mike Green, Alan Montrone, and more recently, Randy Raposo,
[00:04:21] who by the way, Randy got to give you a shout out for your performance this weekend at Mississippi
[00:04:26] Open. Yes, you want to open doubles with Brandemunios. Nice going, man. Can't wait to hear about it next
[00:04:32] week. Well, since Randy's on the road this weekend, I thought it would be great to celebrate our
[00:04:39] 200th episode and feature one of the great legends of Foosball. No, not just for his playing,
[00:04:47] he's a long time promoter who also ran tornadofoosball.com. That website.
[00:04:55] Now, if you were a promoter at one time and needed anything for your tournament, Charles was the
[00:05:00] man to go to. Now he's now retired in playing golf on a regular basis. He always was someone
[00:05:08] you could rely upon in Foosball, in the sport of Foosball. So sit back and relax, enjoy your
[00:05:14] St. Patty's Day celebration, and listen in as Foostalk Live features Charles McIntosh.
[00:05:22] Hey there, it's Tom Robinson episode number 200 of Foostalk Live. And we are celebrating today
[00:05:30] with a hall of famer, a name that everybody knows in the sport of Foosball,
[00:05:37] quite a history in fact, from the great state of North Carolina. It's Charles McIntosh. Hello, Charles.
[00:05:45] I am well. I trust you're getting ready to get out on the golf course today. Is that true?
[00:05:51] Yeah, that's about right. Yes, that's true. Yeah, it must be nice to be able to play golf in March
[00:05:58] or for that matter anytime of the year. So first of all, welcome to the show. This is the
[00:06:06] the 200th episode I thought perhaps it would be a great idea to have someone like yourself on
[00:06:12] being a hall of famer and of course a legendary player and promoter and of course,
[00:06:18] well, the owner of Tarnito Foosball.com which we remember so well, providing tables and parts
[00:06:25] and all the things that people need to play this sport properly. So do you miss being in the sport?
[00:06:36] I'm just somewhat, I really enjoyed what I did for a little. And the meal was a game
[00:06:43] that turned into a sport, just into a part-time business in college. And then being full-time and I
[00:06:51] actually made the show myself out in the career in it that I learned early on that if I want
[00:06:56] to stay in bad and good style and play at a high level, I needed to do it for a little.
[00:07:01] Yeah. And that's what I chose to do. And it worked out pretty well. And of course, in the later
[00:07:07] years, everything, the promoter and everything else that we did all through it could be good.
[00:07:15] And the current is all.com. The good one with that one has a lot of folks all over the country
[00:07:21] and so I just played with them because I played for an awful lot of time in two or three years.
[00:07:27] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And a great one. And I miss parts of it. But you know what? It was time
[00:07:33] for me to walk away and I really grew on the time of last and four years. I played last
[00:07:38] year, five times a week. And then the time for me to see you in the running. Yeah. And just like
[00:07:44] those ball, but then we got to just spate when you were winning. Actually, well, it was a player.
[00:07:49] Right. Yeah. Well, I think it's only fair if we begin at the beginning. So traditionally
[00:07:58] on the show, whenever we have a player on a promoter, we like to find out about your origins. So
[00:08:05] give us an idea when it was the first time you saw Fuzball table, how old were you? And what kind of
[00:08:12] table wasn't? Well, I was about probably on 14, so 14, 14 years old. Okay. My next store neighbor
[00:08:21] was running board, board, Baltimore open to game room. Three miles from my house. And he
[00:08:28] understand these younger than maybe close friends and playbodies, you know, his children. And then
[00:08:35] when he opened this game room, of course, they had two co-workers. One day we got a Fuzball
[00:08:39] table in there. Another time I remember very specifically watching these guys who obviously had
[00:08:46] been playing Fuzball for a while. And I actually saw a guy, you know, do a push-up and the ball
[00:08:53] disappeared. And I thought from my first move, I'm going to have to learn how to do that. I'm just
[00:08:58] what it did. So I thought for a minute or so, you know, if you didn't start to be in the figure
[00:09:04] out of that point. So I started playing on German, I was a German player, a little boy, Schmeister.
[00:09:09] George Meister. And then, yes sir. And then later, we were out in the next couple of three years
[00:09:16] before I was going there for us after high school. We played in different cities, different
[00:09:22] tables. We went to Williamsburg, went to Staling, we were running to the bottom thing, well not
[00:09:28] the bottom thing, but there was an APA which was a credit system when we were right. And we played
[00:09:34] French tables. And of course, we played German tables when we had one ride across from our middle school
[00:09:40] and high school with a little girl, a little girl, a little girl. It was my place, but it was called
[00:09:45] Charlie's Resuary. And Charlie was having a table in the back room. We played during little
[00:09:53] high school that sort of thing. But that's where I started. Played a few years, ran into a couple
[00:10:00] of the tables, you know, got on there. We were opening North Carolina before we were hitting off
[00:10:05] the back system. We were pushing back, so we were discovering both Panama,
[00:10:12] permanent soccer and corner. Right. And that's where we dreamed of doing.
[00:10:17] And so your career as a competitive player, what was the first time you went to a major tournament
[00:10:25] and how did you do that day? Okay, well, you know, that's an interesting question because
[00:10:34] there's a couple of answers to it. Number one, the first time I had a play in was the
[00:10:40] school championship. They're actually with local tournaments in the San Antonio area.
[00:10:46] Okay, there weren't many. Most of that time most tournaments were just putting
[00:10:52] in 30-30s on the table and seeing how long you could hold the table.
[00:10:55] Tiffany Williams is an old heart. I don't think it's still very morning 7, 20, over.
[00:11:01] So everybody played at that time. It's really hot. That's where I met Steve Simon
[00:11:06] the first time in seven, seven, the same year that he won. I believe he won both
[00:11:12] the US and 20 of Nationals that year. Same with the United States. You know, in seven,
[00:11:21] and so many of them are really in those years, you know, of course we'll just move in
[00:11:27] so many other way to get the first time that I've had a remember of a major event was a school championship
[00:11:34] in the University of Texas, so I'm telling you my part of the chip round in my mind is to win
[00:11:39] that and it's the couple of A through S for years. You know, everybody else has showed
[00:11:43] that. That was the question of the race. And of course my state championship in 18,
[00:11:49] getting more to around a $500 tournament. Okay, first big tournament I have the actually run.
[00:11:56] And then the first major tournament probably was maybe an Atlanta tournament,
[00:12:04] Texas State, probably in 183 and 5. You know, I've got to say at that point I was involved with
[00:12:12] 28 of you and in the club and he was beginning to bring things ball back from the Bocca,
[00:12:20] the 81 on tournament soccer. Yes. And so we're working pretty hard to do it. Tell you
[00:12:25] just anybody who's willing to run a tournament, whether it's broader, if you caught a lot of
[00:12:30] whatever. And so in terms of my first major tournament, I think we're championships. I would
[00:12:38] be 83. I actually took place in the next quarter of the year with Barry Dome who was my roommate at
[00:12:48] the time and that was that. Then we're still putting it in the script of the year
[00:12:55] and had the next day championships, next World Championships in 185. And that was in Oklahoma,
[00:13:01] Spirited. And that one was the first one I had the officiality with a Royal Final match.
[00:13:08] It was open doubles. Okay.
[00:13:10] I'm officially clear. You know pretty much started on to that point which I'm pretty proud of.
[00:13:17] I'm officially clear from the start of the official certification program.
[00:13:24] Education is an always the tournament school train officials.
[00:13:31] Yeah, it's interesting in the sense that you've covered just about every aspect of this sport,
[00:13:37] whether being a player, a promoter, a supplier of tables and an official. So is there anybody else
[00:13:44] in the sport that has that kind of pedigree?
[00:13:54] There are a few others that have, you know, back in the day if you were a promoter,
[00:13:59] you won't very well respect it as a player. I really travel days with them.
[00:14:07] Because I love playing on my birthday with a person. So out of those two, we're in a little
[00:14:13] title. And so that was what was motivating me in the 80s as well as loving the game and wanting to see
[00:14:20] it cross being doing everything I could to make a living at the sport I love.
[00:14:25] Right. Yeah. No, it's this the history of this this sport is really vast.
[00:14:31] And I think especially because of your your background there's a few people like yourself left who
[00:14:38] can really kind of tell us the story. Now, of course, the movie Fuzballers had a bit of you in
[00:14:46] it and what was that? What was it like? What was it like to be interviewed for that movie?
[00:14:53] Well, you know, it's interesting. I got a call from the fellow who was the project manager
[00:15:00] with that. And he talked to me a lot just like we were. And after that, he shot and
[00:15:06] sent a career over it. And so they came here, you know, tried shots and talked with him for a while
[00:15:13] and took him out, showed him some things and had been in the living when it was a really wonderful experience.
[00:15:20] I had no idea what they were going to do. They took a lot of footage. You know, when I saw
[00:15:25] you know, if you snip it show up in the movie and I was there, you've got a lot. Yeah.
[00:15:30] You're better in the industry. You're a little bit better. I thought it would be a great job to start
[00:15:35] career for Fuzballers. Oh, yeah. No, it's one of my favorites and I think every time I watch it,
[00:15:41] I see something different in the film. It just it really tells the story beautifully. So
[00:15:48] first movie ever show me. Yeah, right. Exactly. No, it's it's exciting. Joe Heslinger who is the
[00:15:59] executive producer and basically the writer behind that. What a wonderful storyteller. And we're
[00:16:05] hoping that he hopefully steps out again and does another one. I know he wants to do something
[00:16:10] about the international scene. Speaking of international, what's your experience when it comes to
[00:16:17] things like the world cup? Well, I went three times as a player. The senior at that point.
[00:16:26] It was interesting. The early Michael achieved my goal and of anything is wrong. Of course,
[00:16:33] the influence of the inner and the inner and the inner when I became a senior.
[00:16:37] Boys like you race on the line. Yeah. Of course, the last year in the family of old
[00:16:43] people living in the end of the competition is not quite as it still still because all
[00:16:50] the way to the world. I think I want to congratulate the first in the state senior there,
[00:17:04] which didn't have any things at all. Okay. But you know, got together the world cup three times,
[00:17:10] qualified to boost North-Acey. And he actually ended up being on the show. He was actually
[00:17:19] in the state because of his non-zeni experience. But I was detained after the first year and then
[00:17:26] we took seven minutes. We lost the drums. The next year, we missed qualifying by a single point.
[00:17:35] Oh. And then finally the old man took second place to get two more minutes.
[00:17:42] Okay. Yeah, I was never getting thrown but got a couple of seven minutes. I always thought that
[00:17:47] was quite, quite pretty. Because the first half of my career, most of my mother came in the form of
[00:17:52] cash and a cash box. Okay. Yeah, the quarters. Yeah. I think it was really good to get the second place.
[00:18:00] You know, but I had a few wins, but yeah, I had a lot of second places. Yeah.
[00:18:05] Well, so the European system, I mean, it's certainly different from the way we look things in
[00:18:12] America. And there is soon to come something called the World Series, the ITSF World Series
[00:18:19] is happening in Dallas, Texas Memorial Day weekend. Have you heard about that? And what do you think
[00:18:26] about the ITSF bringing their system to America? I have missed the motions about it.
[00:18:34] Quite frankly, I think it's a good thing. I know for you to eat, I know them well. And
[00:18:41] I understand for each motivation and of course, expanding the spirit is never a bad thing.
[00:18:49] I think it comes with growing things. It's hard to stomach a little bit for a lot of people.
[00:18:56] Me, I don't have a dog in the house anymore. It's hard for a lot of people to stomach. It takes
[00:19:02] the states being displaced by a turn which, well, I have not missed it. I've not missed it for
[00:19:09] payouts, but right here in South Australia, this is from not paying out much money. Right.
[00:19:14] And that is the way it's against the grain of Americans through the ball players. Because
[00:19:20] when you play in a big rock, when you play in a World Championship, you especially get paid.
[00:19:25] Yes. And you may not be paid a lot of money, but you might get lost money at least to
[00:19:31] be a big rock and you won't be paid back in a World Championships. Maybe you can pay for some
[00:19:36] expensive and lower that. But in the upper events, I mean, you know, tennis players are really true.
[00:19:43] You know, the only home in the pot are only two of the people that every year is made a career
[00:19:49] in playing baseball for a little bit. Right. And you know, this, and that's sad because if you're
[00:19:56] ever going to make it as a close sport, it's got to have incentives to have the best players
[00:20:02] there. Right. And that is only, doesn't say it's on the ring. You know, fame is not going to
[00:20:08] get, it's not going to rule the back. And so, and that's why you know, what it is is funding
[00:20:13] rules overseas was to display in that sponsorship. That's what it's like. Yeah. Now we,
[00:20:19] I think it has some good aspects and, you know, it's going to have going things and you
[00:20:25] know, has some good stuff from American players. And I understand that but, you know, they change
[00:20:31] and if it makes the sport a bigger sport internationally than other things can come. And, you
[00:20:40] know, we've had lots of problems in those violence. Good to see somebody is working to solve a few of them.
[00:20:46] Yeah. So I hope it works out. No guarantee it will. I don't know how much it looks at local
[00:20:52] promotions in the short term but probably running around kind of. Yeah. Yeah. I think there's,
[00:20:58] you know, the fact that people are like you say, are trying to do the right thing and figure out a
[00:21:04] way to make Fuzball much more of a sport. I know that with the ITSF Flyer they're requiring players
[00:21:13] to address the part. You've got to, you've got to wear certain, certain kind of clothing,
[00:21:20] collared shirts and your team, team logo has to be on the shirt. So they've got some pretty strict
[00:21:26] regulations when it comes to dress. Do you remember back in the day in the 70s and 80s when
[00:21:33] that was required here in America? What was that like? Well, they've tried to implement
[00:21:40] those types of standards over the years. We've tried to implement them on the local level.
[00:21:46] No one really cares. Yeah. Simply because if you've got a team shirt on and you come in and
[00:21:53] in the summertime and shirt to team shirt and standards, hey, I'll take it into the eye
[00:21:58] by around. And you know what? It's the state championship in local tournaments,
[00:22:04] the big tournaments locally. Especially when they're having non-hopeful menus.
[00:22:11] That is the oldest thing. You're walking in with a shirt that has a mega ball on it,
[00:22:19] if you're walking in with a shirt that there's beds for you or you know,
[00:22:24] whether it's a beer can or something else, it's going to be accepted. When you go to venues,
[00:22:31] when you see professional people, you don't care if you're wearing shirts, you know,
[00:22:35] hotel tournaments and that sort of thing, it's been tried. The problem always comes when
[00:22:42] the promoter wants to literally his tournament. And he has a hard time turning away
[00:22:50] around a piece of your $100 bill. Right. Because he's trying to cover his experiences
[00:22:56] and your tournament and make his payout. And I honestly get that. And so that's why
[00:23:02] it really hasn't gone very far, very fast because there's the same thing at the major
[00:23:08] tournaments, whether it's run by Charles Mackinth, Fashion Mary, North, Dave Kernton,
[00:23:14] a World Championship Tour event or you know, a local state championship. You know, all of these
[00:23:20] guys are thanking the good old that they're having people walking the bill one day for their first ball.
[00:23:27] And it's hard not to turn your face away. And what other way, as long as it's not
[00:23:35] keep seeing or affecting. Oh yeah. Yeah. Of course they've been a little bit for the ball.
[00:23:40] It's cool. Yeah. Oh yeah. I noticed. I noticed. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's,
[00:23:48] it is especially because you've got such a mix. You've got, you know, the pro masters,
[00:23:53] the experts and of course, the other levels on down. And you know, amateur players are not there
[00:24:01] necessarily for the big win. They would certainly hope to be but oftentimes, amateurs there because
[00:24:08] they just want to have some fun, get together with friends and have a nice weekend away from home
[00:24:14] with their foosball compatriots. So going to the top of the field and dressing like that, well
[00:24:23] it's not as much of a, not as much of a concern. Especially the way things are structured for
[00:24:29] for American tournaments, it seems. They're best crew because you've got these, you know,
[00:24:34] ready-rated players and players who are doing first times in a tournament. And you know,
[00:24:39] a lot of them honestly, they're different classes. If there's ball players that speak
[00:24:42] anonymically, some of them don't have two nickels to run together and get their best luck they can.
[00:24:47] They always have become their flesh and they do have nice looks. Yeah. So you do have, you do have
[00:24:51] that mix. You also have the interaction, the integration of the younger players wanting to team up
[00:24:58] with somebody and play an open doubles so they can get a shot at playing the top of a pro or
[00:25:02] a pro or a pro or somebody that you know they don't even know about. And you know for that,
[00:25:08] if that's the, it gets them in the foosball in the long term because I tell you what,
[00:25:14] you go to a foosball tournament for the first time, it's like walking into Melbourne or the land.
[00:25:19] Wow. I don't remember my first time at World Championship this like,
[00:25:23] gee, there's 50, 60, 80 tables in this room. Are you kidding me? Yep. I'm sure it's tough
[00:25:28] that way. The first time I walked into the 40th house in San Antonio, right out south of San Antonio
[00:25:32] with college. I walked in there and there's 10 trees down. I was going to put the piano on all of them.
[00:25:37] I'm like, I'm in here with them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, it's um and of course as time
[00:25:46] goes on and get to see even more tables, it really. It's it's astounding. I guess there was at one
[00:25:53] point during the late 70s early 80s before TS collapsed. There was what sometimes a thousand or
[00:26:00] more players in an tournament? That's right. I heard. And there have been one or two
[00:26:07] tournament in World Championship for over the years. I've seen the accounts and you know big
[00:26:15] money drives a lot of players. Yes. And you know, those things that came to America in the 60s.
[00:26:24] Vending companies really took a hold of it. It was the new item on their Vending route. Yes.
[00:26:31] And as the 60s came and went and turned soccer came and went, one of the detriment that happened was
[00:26:43] all the tables that came to America and original were not very good on location.
[00:26:50] We went to an APA table once you've been there's tennis, scoping rods. Yeah. You cannot
[00:26:57] straighten them. And you know, Vending did not know how to take care of these wild tables so the
[00:27:03] player was an issue. Turned the soccer came along and that table was so inferior in terms of
[00:27:10] quality. Yeah. There are stories of 10 and 20 Newton breaking overnight. Oh. You know, hard play
[00:27:18] location. And you know, I the line of the side of person is the, it is here. Say you have
[00:27:26] everything I ever heard of a side of God and I know this from the experience. A side of
[00:27:32] God once you've been can never be perfectly straight. Wow. A hollow rod can be perfectly straight.
[00:27:38] Okay. And so, you know, the heavy rods and a lot of things that will give the tournament
[00:27:44] soccer table and the vendors really became missing champion with baseball. Yeah.
[00:27:51] Really, it was a tournament soccer, whether it was a, by a meeting, whether a roommate here,
[00:27:58] a dishwasher, whatever. Vending's just really, they went from oh, this is great. Oh,
[00:28:05] you want to play with that, I think. It's my best one off and see if I can't get it to you.
[00:28:09] And it might be 20 years there, but you want to play with that's best to go. Wow.
[00:28:14] And that's a good way for us. Might not start up in other vendors across the country.
[00:28:20] God is what really best the opportunity. Yeah. And because in my area, it was controlled by
[00:28:27] the same guys that were in the poker games and the other, you know,
[00:28:40] under the table, the last best of the entertainment. You know, the same guys that were in the video games,
[00:28:47] the pro-players, the jukeboxes, in bars and other games. And so when those guys who had all
[00:28:57] this investment became this dynamic with baseball, we had an opportunity to move the table on the
[00:29:05] place. And so in my career, I would go to a location, try to land the location, find out
[00:29:12] that there was a vendor contact the vendor and he was telling me that I would have my
[00:29:16] legs built up for the table and told me that, oh, I don't care because I hate baseball but you
[00:29:22] better sign a contract with me than she never's going to try to put a jukebox in.
[00:29:26] They run the out of my location. And so, you know, I've seen the vendor which way in
[00:29:32] friction when I was able to land locations and build a lot of, you know, a number of co-abuse and
[00:29:39] have term that they use at multiple locations in North Carolina. Okay.
[00:29:44] They're beginning to make things happen here but that was an opportunity that came out of me.
[00:29:50] I'm not going to say that I'm not going to try to say anything negative about the early tables
[00:29:56] because I played on them and I love baseball too. They're playing on all of them.
[00:30:00] Yeah. But the reality is if they don't make the mustard on the commercial side,
[00:30:06] then they're not going to last long and you're not going to have the location long.
[00:30:10] Yeah. If you don't maintain those tables, you will not have the location long either
[00:30:15] because the players will come and play them. And so, you know, that's what the Pornado
[00:30:20] Gras in the table. The Dynamo table was a first try to make the tournament soccer table that didn't work
[00:30:27] in the years that we had the Dynamo and Pornado Challenge in World Championship for two years,
[00:30:33] 86 and then you start them. And the decision was made really by the players which
[00:30:38] they would like. And most year the Dynamo and Pornado Spirit Office about equal number of participants
[00:30:44] in each table with their events. In the next year, in 1987 it was 34 to 35 to 21,
[00:30:53] oh, on the 28th side and the bottles cast. Dynamo was starving. They were just going to go
[00:30:58] for making tables with the international market and the distribution network because they
[00:31:03] still have that in the venues and such. Pornado was just having promoters because then there's
[00:31:08] pretty much so a lot. I don't think we can buy food as well, but it was number one in the many
[00:31:13] distributors they bought 10 and then hired in and made a big sale one or two a year, you know,
[00:31:19] a type thing. And you know, that's still down in the early days was re-bursed by a number of
[00:31:27] us promoters out in the field. And you know, I can name most out of them. Okay. They're going to be
[00:31:33] in one out of mountain at the Houston. We have Mike and Kathy one in the course after
[00:31:39] gear Jackson that was part of 97. Excuse me, 77 running run is based on the title.
[00:31:47] Real Jackson became a tornado bear and was living tornado tables up into the Denver area which
[00:31:55] was, you know, ground zero with close base of the P.S. Yeah. And that's what really began
[00:32:02] with the change over in the Denver area. And so, um, we were in the wild, Mike and Kathy one in two
[00:32:09] quarter. The dynamo after 97. Very pretty much Kathy bringing her up to the North West.
[00:32:19] And Johnny was no longer involved. Uh, the dynamo and all and they should just go by the wayside
[00:32:25] and so up, left, left, left, left and left and left and left and left and left.
[00:32:29] Who were doing tornado tables to re-emers the sport. Yeah. Guys up in North East like the bank
[00:32:35] spreaders. You know, ladies, guys are promoted. Greg Mendoza and such. You did great jobs
[00:32:40] up in that area. You just got in the last couple of 80 years. You know, now you still got to,
[00:32:46] you know, the Albany group is where the two stones live in the right direction. Yeah.
[00:32:51] Just out of Georgia. You had to go in by the group or through down there in the 80s and
[00:32:57] you know, they go to the Richard Hall and with P.J. and you know, a number of others just
[00:33:02] kept going into this day. And you know, even the, uh, this current generation has reached back
[00:33:10] to those guys. You're in the family, the guys in Texas. You're a mountain. So,
[00:33:15] the mountains not always promoted. So, at the end of that phase, you take the state championship
[00:33:19] where he really worked hard for a lot of years and did a great job down there. Yeah.
[00:33:24] And you know, having the folks like most other areas is the senior research. So, I said to all my career,
[00:33:32] this morning, the S&S has survived in spite of, you know, the challenges. Yeah. The challenges.
[00:33:42] Not, you know, not really because of anybody, but because there's a lot of people just loving the game
[00:33:49] and continuing to promote it. And I took it on as my goal in the way he knows how my career began
[00:33:57] to develop. Can you do everything I could to help everybody else do what they need to do? Yeah.
[00:34:02] I mean, I've divided this from there in the worst time, it's the 7-2 units. Wow.
[00:34:07] Before we parted ways. That's amazing. Yeah. And so, you know, whether and by,
[00:34:13] maybe the rest of it, but yeah, it's tough. As a promoter, did you have certain events that
[00:34:19] you found more enjoyable? Was there a favorite event in a given year that you always look forward to?
[00:34:25] You mean, I think a particular tournament? Yeah. But you know, something that you always wanted
[00:34:32] to be a part of. Well, I mean, I was always a part of real championship, but running it and,
[00:34:38] you know, it probably wasn't fair for me. My state championship, she was the course of
[00:34:42] always the circle on the calendar because I ran it. I used to run. I mean, I had so many tournaments
[00:34:50] that was hard to have just to aston any of them. The Bando, some awful lot of fun to run,
[00:34:57] being involved in Colorado State Championship. You know, I love the promoters out there,
[00:35:04] or the players out there. Texas, kind of my second home, started my first route in the
[00:35:12] sending Tony O'Rourke's in college. Yeah. You know, I've been on the so many tournaments in Texas
[00:35:18] from the Texas State Championship. I've been on the so many tournaments in the local tournament.
[00:35:22] So if there is, it's really not a target. I love going on the so many times. Yeah.
[00:35:30] There was a different experience. My target is the next tournament because
[00:35:40] all my career, I run three. I ran three to four tournaments a week, a week in local tournaments,
[00:35:46] in local tournaments, oh, in the 80s and 90s. Wow. And in later years, I just saw that out there.
[00:35:52] Other people who run the tournaments for me in those areas, that's really good all the work,
[00:35:56] and they can smell that. You know, we ran three or four tournaments a week, and then I run one year,
[00:36:03] I ran 18 different events on weekends. So that's more than one of them up. Yeah.
[00:36:09] You know, and the question, a lot of years, my last 10 years,
[00:36:12] at the beginning, there's really little bit from the other areas. In any case,
[00:36:19] yeah. Maybe it was very one tournament. I mean, I guess,
[00:36:22] where is the one you're always kind of looking for to do because it is world championships?
[00:36:27] Yes. But, you know, that must be a championship. Probably the thing that I targeted
[00:36:33] man, I think what? My weight goes in the other one ever. You're taking photos from the
[00:36:37] Blastar, California, Florida, wherever it is. We have a box truck, we go by anywhere.
[00:36:47] It's you just got to get them there anyway you can. I mean, I appreciate what you guys
[00:36:52] go through. I know I was talking to Mary Moore about one of her events last year where
[00:36:59] her trailer, the whole transport that tires came off in the middle of her trip and I can't
[00:37:08] imagine being stranded with a whole bunch of tables and a trailer and then all of a sudden
[00:37:13] the tires come off. That's got to be a real one. You got to be dedicated to get yourself there.
[00:37:19] I think she was going up to Vegas in fact at the time. But man, what's
[00:37:25] the most fun you can think of in one particular time? Can you tell us about why it was so much fun and
[00:37:32] why you remember it? Well, we've been in the river, we've provided
[00:37:45] pay the square tournament. Whether it be their local or their championship or some other venue
[00:37:50] in some other state, the work begins a couple of weeks before. You got to arrange everything
[00:37:56] and of course the excitement is all about when you get there, you meet the tables, you unbox them,
[00:38:02] you do everything a couple of days, you know, a day or two before hand, you get to be perfectly ready.
[00:38:08] And that was always my goal. I wanted perfectly ready. All the tables are ready. All the
[00:38:13] tables need to be ready. All the tables will have them. All the tables strategically positioned
[00:38:18] to make the room flow. That's very good at it is design. Three more years to try to design
[00:38:25] it in. I'm a lake. And that's what we're doing and the traffic patterns are so important.
[00:38:32] You make everybody's job as a player, easy, easy to get to. Nothing in their role, you know,
[00:38:39] those sorts of things. Not right from the back of table condition. And so those are things
[00:38:45] that we really look forward to and of course, yeah. At the end of the tournament you play by weekend,
[00:38:50] you play by weekend, with me as always a thousand questions because we want the by table after
[00:38:56] the tournament. People want the by part right now. Yes. I need a lot because a lot of matches
[00:39:01] in ten minutes, whatever it might be. Of course, we have both with so much of us and that sort of thing.
[00:39:07] It will say an absolute from the beginning to end. It is just a race. And you're in it and
[00:39:16] it's all the sudden it's over, you can down tables and when you get home and start taking
[00:39:22] everything apart, you really get to reflect and think about how things look.
[00:39:27] Unfortunately in my career, everything went pretty good. Okay.
[00:39:32] We had a couple of times we had some pretty tight issues. About every one year, the players,
[00:39:38] the trucking company and not the tables were all worth. And they got actually picking up from the
[00:39:43] factor and grabbing down from the ballots that we were from four years. And but the lights
[00:39:50] were still on their truck. And they would have been sent seven days earlier from North Carolina
[00:39:58] and for some snapper. They got lots of work. They hotter than for us. We got those lights,
[00:40:06] I think on around noon or one o'clock the day is the event. Five hours to put light over all
[00:40:14] the tables. Yeah. Where there's my way? My worst time was in Nebraska. I flew into Bendy.
[00:40:26] The car drove over to Grand Island, Nebraska where the turn of last the meet the tables and the lights
[00:40:33] were on the same truck. They were still in Kansas City. The tables were. And this was
[00:40:41] the day before the tournament. I was driving down there. Yeah. I had to get with that as well since
[00:40:48] the tables two weeks before. To make sure. No, it's original. The river on that day. And somehow they
[00:40:56] got me lost in Kansas City. Man. And so I don't know what was the worst tournament financially for me.
[00:41:02] I had to pay $1800 to get tables driven out of the front. And Kansas City began by.
[00:41:11] And they got the tables right there. I believe it was like around noon on Friday and the
[00:41:19] tournament started Friday night. Oh, no kidding. Oh man. Yes. Yes. Well, you haven't
[00:41:25] had the tables ready. Yeah. Yeah. And we started all these events on time. They're showing me
[00:41:30] them. Wow. And the guy listed me says, there's no way I can afford that. I said, don't worry about
[00:41:36] it. It's my problem. Okay. Okay. Not yours. And well, you know the same guy just take your
[00:41:46] table. Be safe. Thank you because it was a really rough trip. And yeah, sometimes you've got to eat
[00:41:54] and that they're out there. And you know what? You had a great time and a great tournament.
[00:41:59] I love them. I have to go up and get the food for you. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's you know what?
[00:42:04] When life gives you lemons, you make a lot of money. That's right. I mean, just make the best
[00:42:10] of the best of the bad situation. I don't know if you can enjoy a better situation. Yeah,
[00:42:18] exactly. Yeah. You know, you've got to learn to appreciate what you do when it works. Hey,
[00:42:24] you know, that's gravy. That's great. And well, I'm going to pay some off. This is in the side.
[00:42:29] I want to be able to shout out to every person and there's a person who's having what about there.
[00:42:36] And on this road, you're going to be a shot after every single person. It ever helped me put the
[00:42:41] table together. It ever helped me tell you to tell you the bomb. It ever helped me in any way with
[00:42:45] a food by a tournament. I think I would be right there and I'm so thankful to you and I think
[00:42:50] it's the money almost every day. So new persons. I remember what we're called at a tournament
[00:42:58] and yeah, probably about great camaraderie. Yeah. That was really the best.
[00:43:04] Yeah. And being in the trenches together, it forms a family. You know, you're working towards
[00:43:11] the same goal and working side by side and making it happen. That's amazing. So the other
[00:43:20] thing that I wanted to chat with you about, there's some more recent changes happening in some of
[00:43:26] the tournament formats. And I know we've been experimenting a bit with local, we have a monster
[00:43:33] DYP in our local, local venue. But now there's a trend towards this thing called championship play
[00:43:41] for the open events and some of the bigger, bigger venues. Championship, of course, if you're
[00:43:47] in the open and you lose a match, you end up in the losers bracket, but the best you can do is third
[00:43:54] place as a player, as a promoter. What do you think about that kind of a format?
[00:44:01] You know, I have been exposed to it as promoted between the rubber remination format has been
[00:44:14] epochs, known through ball and unnecessary pox because if those keep people playing,
[00:44:22] it's not a one and done in your own. It has been an incentive off the route with 50 years
[00:44:30] of losing that format to basically keep people involved, and keep them in the room. And I get
[00:44:36] that. Change is hard for anybody. And we have to change something that is a little bit more
[00:44:43] fair and balanced and can work with in time constraints. That's something that the read
[00:44:51] really hard to accomplish. He should be a product for that. I don't know if that format is the one
[00:45:03] that I would choose. Actually, invented a format which was a really good format back in the
[00:45:12] way it was in the 2000, 2000, the first decade of 2000. And it involves quantifiers and
[00:45:25] the quantifiers, just I can go into it, and send it to you. Sure. That particular format
[00:45:32] involves two quantifiers for every event. Okay. And you would have the top four quantifiers in that
[00:45:40] event. Advanced to the finals bracket on Sunday. Okay. And it would basically be an 18 chart on
[00:45:51] Sunday that would be quite odd. And so if you had, if you had the references in a quantifier,
[00:46:00] 64 things playing 32 to 16 to 8 to 4, there's only four matches.
[00:46:09] Yeah. For each team. And so what we did was, and we ran this format or state championship,
[00:46:15] and I was out of the rhythm every night before midnight. Wow. And all of them were complete.
[00:46:21] And so with that format, there was a lot of person to enter the first quantifier on Monday.
[00:46:29] Like the open levels. Okay. Any faces in the top pool? We didn't play again to Sunday in other
[00:46:34] levels. Wow. Singles events, I think, with a next day. And so Terry Moore, I remember Terry,
[00:46:41] specifically came to that event and I asked him, I said, Terry, anything about this format?
[00:46:45] He said, I think it's great. Equal to five for open singers and open doubles and next
[00:46:50] doubles, there's three events. And I think he also, I don't know if he could play, you know,
[00:46:57] he may have qualified also in limited. Okay. The program, it was limited throughout the
[00:47:03] game to get a program. But anyway, he qualified for our roles and basically had started the off.
[00:47:09] Yeah. Wow. And Sunday, he came back and played ours matches and Terry crew meant one
[00:47:14] everything. Of course. Well, in any case, what it did was you were in your event and you played
[00:47:22] your matches one right after the other. It seems the other thing was finished. You know, if you're
[00:47:27] in a bracket, you can do a match and you're right on the other match, finish it. It could be called
[00:47:31] right now. Wow. And so you played one right after the other until you were either eliminated
[00:47:37] or you were continuing to play out to the final four. Okay. Okay. And the good two of those
[00:47:43] qualifiers, one qualifier, one day, the next qualifier, the next day. And so come Sunday,
[00:47:49] you had and you could have entered two qualifiers. You know, you couldn't win one qualifier and one
[00:47:56] and you couldn't go through the next one. So the top four teams were all about that. Terry,
[00:47:59] more of a big play than you in the next qualifier. So you had a better chance to get to the final four.
[00:48:04] Yes. Right. As long as it's so the four, everything's top four teams by the qualifier first day.
[00:48:11] Yeah. So the next day, everybody's got a better chance. Well, that's what that's created up.
[00:48:17] And so we did that. We did it in the air. We sing over there. Even the even the do I pay on the do I
[00:48:24] pay, but it went down to the final two. So you had a you had a four team bracket for the special
[00:48:30] team that you had an 18 bracket for the major. And so you know, that gave us a better out better
[00:48:38] ability to schedule things with those numbers and amounts. People could schedule their time.
[00:48:45] Because you can say, Hey, I'm going to try to qualify an open doubles and it starts at 11 a.m.
[00:48:49] So either any sign up for open dollars, you get put out in one straight and you go well,
[00:48:54] that's fine. I don't have to write. I'm going to go. I'm going to choose another qualify
[00:49:00] in an hour and a half. I'm going to try to play an expert singer or whatever. Yes. And
[00:49:05] you know, you could you could schedule your plan. You know, if you didn't want to play,
[00:49:09] if you didn't want to play, you just didn't sign up. You played. You were playing one out of the
[00:49:15] other and he eliminated the qualify in your double that. See I like that. You know, do what you want
[00:49:20] to us, but you're going to move it. Yeah. And that's a period of near. Yeah.
[00:49:23] Yeah. And then there may be on Saturday and had a good time and came back and parted and
[00:49:27] played cricket picket games with people. It is wonderful. Yeah. And you know, that sort of format could
[00:49:33] add to sure we wrote, but it in a fire certain promoters. Okay. Mary more in particular because
[00:49:38] it did prepare what she thought would work. And so if I had a blowback and I just let it go,
[00:49:45] but the Swiss system I think is probably complicated for people to really get into and clear out.
[00:49:52] Okay. And so that we're the reasons why I don't particularly care for it. The system of
[00:49:57] once you lose, you're not going to have a chance to win the tournament. That is a real negative.
[00:50:04] Or, you know, the one that you just described. Yeah. And so that reason I don't particularly like it.
[00:50:12] And in a sense, if to keep it's trying to have the best of both worlds.
[00:50:20] Right. The best of both worlds means you still got a bubble in the
[00:50:23] mission tournament. You still got that bracket, still having to play out. You got the everything
[00:50:29] bracket playing out. And I like the part that they don't have to play anymore.
[00:50:34] And we're playing so the single remaining elimination format once they get so far out,
[00:50:39] I get that. And that's good. But you know, in terms of scheduling people's time,
[00:50:47] it's no better for them because you still playing multiple events at the same time.
[00:50:53] What we, the rule that we had for my format was if you're going to enter a qualified event,
[00:51:00] you can't enter any other qualified event until you're out. And, you know, for an amateur,
[00:51:08] that is once you play in open doubles, you're in an open doubles, you put out the first round.
[00:51:13] And now later he can enter in an amateur doubles. Yes. Right. But if he wins his first two matches,
[00:51:20] then he's still in open doubles and now later in amateur doubles. He don't get in it.
[00:51:24] Yeah. Okay. So no comments. That he can play in the qualified of the next
[00:51:30] way for amateur doubles because they're on two of them. Okay. And so, and not only that,
[00:51:36] but there's many new ideas that if you played the first qualified with, let's say you and I
[00:51:41] played the first qualified and I couldn't block nothing. Well, I couldn't score enough
[00:51:46] and if I was at print and he said, man, that's crazy. Just a dollar. I ain't playing it
[00:51:51] playing him again. You can go pick up somebody even better and play with them in the second qualify.
[00:51:59] Oh, you weren't locked in until you only partner now. You could buy a package for how you
[00:52:05] to play anything. And so you could, you know, sort of had options as you can massage yourself
[00:52:12] through that tournament. So the players, no matter what you rank, you still get out your
[00:52:17] your money's worth for the weekend. Yeah. And I had guys, I literally had players who had
[00:52:24] to work on one day and could not make the first qualify. Okay. So that's the second one because
[00:52:30] they had to work the first day. The partner couldn't be there that day. The partner's playing
[00:52:34] somebody else. And then he got the last few players in many more so they kept them new ones.
[00:52:39] So, you know, we had a lot work all the different ways. Yeah. Scatting in the finals at the end of
[00:52:46] the tournament is the key to keep them that format. You know, nice and tidy. Yeah. And then you do
[00:52:52] that and we had everything done before about well, you know, that that kind of an idea that format
[00:52:57] sounds to me like it's much more media friendly. You know what you've got in a bridge? You've got
[00:53:02] people at Jim Stevens who are covering these matches. He knows schedule. He knows when he's
[00:53:07] going to be calling the majors. And it's a it's a win-win in that regard. Right. Very prepared. Yeah.
[00:53:14] Wow. Well, there is a lot of talk about unifying and trying to come up with some kind of a I guess
[00:53:21] you'd say a federation as in like the USTSO and and try to unify all the major tourist stops.
[00:53:30] And it's it's a work on progress obviously and everybody's trying to I guess pull on the same
[00:53:36] end to the rope. But you know, we're human beings and everything doesn't necessarily work out the
[00:53:42] way you want it to as quickly as you'd like it to but let's hope that your idea your your
[00:53:47] your format can come back and make another showing. I'm not I'm not gonna hold my breath
[00:53:54] with that style of math. And probably pretty good reasons and memory reasons that we're going to
[00:54:00] hear. It's high time that Stevens got became more streamlined. Yeah. And we'll use your family
[00:54:08] and it has to become media friendly if it's ever going to go anywhere. Agreed. And there's my wife
[00:54:15] who has worked with me who all my years have used we got married 98 so we're on
[00:54:21] the 36 now. And in all those years she's always family. She says until she's all players
[00:54:29] start off in professional dressing professional and and present a professional image.
[00:54:35] And these tournaments become streamlined to the point where you can schedule times for events
[00:54:43] yeah yeah and that sort of thing it's not going to go anywhere. Yeah okay. And she
[00:54:50] she was saying that. Please buy it has been as you said it has survived in spite of the people
[00:54:58] and cornering things like that. I mean the greatest of the game will in theaters and then matter
[00:55:05] the release you know I mean I'm not now that's where it continues. Nobody nobody is an island. Yes
[00:55:11] and hopefully we'll be able to see this thing move forward. I'm really thankful for the opportunity
[00:55:19] that I had to have a role in keeping it going for 40 years. Oh and they have to promote as well I did
[00:55:25] and I tell you what I look back at it is kind of a I'm proud in a way that I had my opportunity
[00:55:33] to keep it going. Yeah. I'm sad that it never made it further than it did yeah um and you know
[00:55:39] it's promoters across the country as well as my green to help when I started 20 to please buy that
[00:55:46] um it was my goal to give all the promoters and the scribes or all the promoters across the country
[00:55:54] the asset that they needed in terms of tables provided for the events. The cheapest parts and
[00:56:01] they could find anywhere and to help them help themselves to promote the sport in their area.
[00:56:08] So I can't go promote in Nebraska. I can go provide tables for return in Nebraska but I'm not
[00:56:15] to be down the ground in Nebraska. Exactly. You're not going to be down the ground in Kentucky or Florida
[00:56:21] or any of the other venues that I went to you know provide tables for my name there's a green
[00:56:27] paper to turn on. Yeah good it may help because I know there's going to have some good equipment there
[00:56:34] but the people on the ground are the ones who do that and my experience with the
[00:56:39] ladies across the country is kind of like Hayden Cats. Yeah so I got their own way they're going
[00:56:45] to do it. Yeah they're all independent and here's the really hard thing to do a lot of people to
[00:56:54] square. Hopefully any of them built for a living. Right. They're there because we're there
[00:56:58] this sport. Yeah and the problem with that is there's people who do not build for a living
[00:57:05] with something else for a living and they do this for part time. Right. That's why you see
[00:57:10] promoters coming and knowing because I'm going to tell you where it's promoting it's not an easy job.
[00:57:15] Yep. It's not fun to have to make a ruling that fires somebody up on one side of the table
[00:57:21] and make somebody happy on the other side of the table even though they really made
[00:57:25] these many industries that can possibly be. Yep. And so you just have so many attended issues
[00:57:31] and people's energy levels and you know most people have really skin in the game.
[00:57:40] With me everything I'm good in my football career I was 100% all in all my investment
[00:57:49] bottoms out of my work all of everything I did everything I did in sport and so when I walked
[00:57:57] away it was a relief to not have a response work is anymore. Yeah. And you know it was it was time
[00:58:06] and said I'm enjoying my time in the Rock Wars. I can imagine yes and I know you're up against
[00:58:12] a timer strain here today but I've got to say Charles first of all on behalf of myself and
[00:58:19] everybody who listens to this show and people that love this sport thank you so much for what
[00:58:24] you've done and the things that the hardwicker put in you deserve kudos more than just a place
[00:58:30] in the hall of fame which of course is a great thing but you deserve so much more than that and
[00:58:36] we really appreciate all your efforts. Well I'll tell you this is I've told my financial advisor
[00:58:43] about six months ago I said you know it's a miracle I could retire at all. Yeah but
[00:58:50] this is pretty much it is all built yeah man I didn't do anything else for a living
[00:58:56] I think I helped wind it up and a golf course once for about three months but in a number of years
[00:59:01] ago I did some part-time work either way but all my career has been nothing that goes well.
[00:59:08] Yeah and I look at it and I'm pretty proud of what was accomplished. We had a lot to
[00:59:13] have done with a lot just seen you going further you know some of the relationships that
[00:59:20] didn't go so well are difficult but overall very happy very happy and thank you for the
[00:59:31] for the time was. Oh I mean the best I could I always did the best I could for everybody I worked with
[00:59:37] and worked for and as a player play hard every time I could I was never the best player in anywhere
[00:59:44] when I ever walked into it maybe doing a DYP and a local heart or whatever you know me I was just
[00:59:51] the guy that you know lived the dream and loved playing the game and yeah I didn't mind working for it.
[00:59:58] Mm-hmm and that's you know what it is it's its own satisfaction because you know just to get out for
[01:00:04] a DYP I know just speaking from personal experience getting out to play the DYP and we do on on
[01:00:11] Friday nights I look forward to that time of the week it's like that's what I'm that's what I'm
[01:00:16] working towards that's what I'm looking forward to and when I'm there nothing else matters.
[01:00:21] Well I tell you what night before I went down and uh I got the buddy of mine with
[01:00:27] things about it was basement to his new house okay and we went from there to the local tournament down
[01:00:33] a short on the tables now that I saw through you know a local player now Jason McCall and
[01:00:40] here's life in the show. Mm-hmm. We'll run our state championships for the last five or six years
[01:00:45] or eight years and since I gave it up but I provided for this rather event so it can feel time I
[01:00:52] retired and well it was nice to rock in that room she's in see all the other folks and everybody
[01:00:58] I know I mean it's like home-leaking I nobody local tournament about once every three or four months
[01:01:05] just to see the old same old friends yeah it is it is absolutely wonderful and they've begged me
[01:01:11] and they begged me to play and you know what I'm telling it's better to be a husband than
[01:01:17] a neighbor was uh-huh and now if I play five or six football games five or six games
[01:01:26] I play as good as I ever played good but after that we are in this doesn't place the ball on the
[01:01:33] ball like it should whether I'm playing back or front yeah I just cannot shoot the ball with any
[01:01:37] degree of efficient to your effectiveness yeah and so I'm not gonna drive people down
[01:01:42] so I'll go in and maybe over now then I'll play a pick up game or something like that
[01:01:46] mm-hmm just for games I did play an tournament last last year and the same thing happened
[01:01:51] you know and I just it doesn't matter who I play with if I'm two matches up in the
[01:01:55] middle of the night and then the dog the arm goes it's like man you know you're shooting me
[01:02:01] well it is uh it's an endurance it's an endurance race it's not something you know you just
[01:02:09] can't expect to win if you're if you're running out of energy but hey you know what I think we're
[01:02:15] of similar age I'm in my 60s and you know well if I can still stand up and play it doesn't matter
[01:02:22] you know I'm not going to be going for the for the big prize or the the big open title or anything
[01:02:26] like that but you know I just want to improve my game each time and and play but you know what it's
[01:02:32] uh it's still something that we're passionate about so we're not going to worry whether or not
[01:02:37] you have the the energy at the end we're not going to worry about that yeah I do I'm on
[01:02:44] I mean I at least want to be competitive and I don't like to get in anchor and drag somebody down
[01:02:49] they're gonna tell people now that you know in the first ball world if I play one match I may shoot
[01:02:55] the ball 40 times in one match in one game and you know I just can't shoot I don't have any more
[01:03:03] than 30 50 60 shots in me yes you know um until things go south but I can go on a golf course
[01:03:12] I'll hit the ball hard about 40 45 times uh-huh and then padding is really easy I mean no no
[01:03:19] no stress to that and so I put the ball by middle 20 30 times and uh you know go home shooting
[01:03:26] somewhere near port I can still play to be at a level because I get worse between shots right
[01:03:33] right exactly hop in the cart right got a hundred yards and maybe get here to be so yeah I can hit
[01:03:39] them all 40 times like that and uh I had a good time going home to shoot good not have to wake up
[01:03:45] the next morning for a two-fade uh you know seven-booty match yeah right right right you know
[01:03:50] somebody once said that playing golf is a great way to ruin an otherwise great walk but if you're
[01:03:57] riding a cart what's the difference right well you know when you get older it tries to arrive really
[01:04:03] going to get you exercise but let them back and forth through the ball well we certainly hope
[01:04:09] you hit him straight and uh we're looking forward to the future because uh I here here's the thing
[01:04:15] the door is wide open I want to talk to you again I'd love to get some some stories from the past
[01:04:21] uh when we have more time yeah so Charles McIntosh thank you so much for making uh episode 200 of
[01:04:31] Vood's Talk Live so memorable and such a such a great experience just uh catching up with all your
[01:04:37] your knowledge and of course the things you've done but thank you so much for for being with us on
[01:04:42] this episode well it's uh it's with my pleasure to speak with you Tom and it's with my privilege
[01:04:49] to serve the views about those ball community all my career and I look back at it with uh
[01:04:56] bonus and uh since the satisfaction and uh uh still check the charts to see how the local guys
[01:05:04] and all my friends across the country so uh I'm looking in even though they're not at those big
[01:05:09] events so thanks again for the opportunity to share a little bit of it and I look forward to talk to you
[01:05:14] again maybe one day it's our pleasure and we're looking forward to our next conversation
[01:05:19] all right my friend you have a good one and thanks again you bet
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