FoosTalk Live | Ep 205 | Chase Pennell & Thomas Dyke

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[00:02:03] And hello there we are on the air with FoosTalk Live

[00:02:07] Welcome I'm Tom Robinson

[00:02:09] We're looking forward to episode number 205 this evening

[00:02:14] Coming to you live from upstate New York and the state of Alabama

[00:02:18] Where my partner Mr. Randy Raposo happens to be hanging out tonight

[00:02:24] Randy loves to talk about foosball, don't you Randy?

[00:02:26] Yeah yeah

[00:02:27] So uh fill us in on the details this last week

[00:02:30] Anything good happened anything bad what's going on

[00:02:32] He's on he's on I know he's really into it

[00:02:35] Uh it says there they can't hear your your mic but we're gonna we're gonna

[00:02:38] Take care of that in just a second here hold on one second here

[00:02:41] Well you have a Kendrifter radio hear me

[00:02:44] It's all that matters that's all that is message cut to the guests

[00:02:48] Jesus Lord this freaking guy forget it I don't want him on here Tom

[00:02:52] I don't want him on here

[00:02:54] Right come on now

[00:02:54] Radio

[00:02:55] I don't want to have a good

[00:02:56] Okay well you know what without without further delude let's delay

[00:03:00] I don't like it

[00:03:01] Let's cut to our guests yeah so it's it's a mighty good thing

[00:03:04] Because tonight we're gonna talk about learning foosball

[00:03:07] And learning how to uh to run the audio on a on a podcast

[00:03:11] Um but anyway we're lucky to have Chase Pennell

[00:03:14] Who lives in Knoxville Tennessee

[00:03:17] Chase Pennell of course we know him from his uh his

[00:03:21] Instructional videos called road road to pro road to pro that's right yep

[00:03:26] And uh you're just catching up on a few of those today in fact but uh chase welcome to to foosball live

[00:03:32] Appreciate being here man. Thanks for having me absolutely looking forward to uh to working with you tonight

[00:03:37] Uh and of course next to you is someone we already know

[00:03:40] Thomas Dyke hello Thomas

[00:03:43] Hey Tom

[00:03:43] What's up

[00:03:44] Hey just here doing this thing i've been looking forward to cool cool cool

[00:03:48] It's great to have you along and we're looking forward to this uh this this episode tonight 205

[00:03:54] So chase first of all thanks for being with us

[00:03:58] We always have to ask the question because you're you're new to the show

[00:04:03] When did you first start playing foosball? How old were you?

[00:04:07] And what what kind of table was it that you first saw before you started playing?

[00:04:12] I actually I don't want to get too long winded, but

[00:04:16] I'll do my best to tell this story when I was 16 years old my dad came home with a coin-up foosball table one of the old brown marbles

[00:04:23] um and it all happened because him and his best friend

[00:04:27] played some college guys down on uh in penn state campus and ran a table all night

[00:04:34] so of course they come back all fired up and

[00:04:38] They you know my dad's best friend jimmy

[00:04:41] He had got a another table they put a table in our basement

[00:04:44] And it was me and my best friend kurt vor brokker

[00:04:48] Versus my dad and jimmy nice

[00:04:51] Um, and they kind of taught me a little bit about foosball

[00:04:54] early on um, but that was my very very beginning of foosball

[00:05:00] And uh, so what kind of tables we were talking tornado?

[00:05:04] Yeah, yeah the the coin-up

[00:05:06] Brown marble the brown marble so that how many what year was that?

[00:05:11] That table I believe was

[00:05:14] 8889 somewhere in there early 90s maybe okay. I think the brown was like a 90 88 to 92 model

[00:05:22] That was like the like did it have the big round aluminum feet? Yeah, dude

[00:05:27] That was the best table that was the bar none those tables are still you couldn't beat them not like they were

[00:05:33] They were the best table in my opinion still

[00:05:36] That was the that was the table. Yeah

[00:05:38] No doubt

[00:05:39] And me and my friend could never beat my dad and his buddy

[00:05:43] Wait, what about now?

[00:05:45] Now it's a little different

[00:05:47] Is your dad is your dad watching your videos? Is he subscribed?

[00:05:50] No, I will say this though

[00:05:52] Out of all the lessons I learned my dad gave me the very first one

[00:05:56] Which and I still I still use it to this day and still tell people it to this day

[00:06:01] Hit the ball hard and good things will happen. You do see he does say that

[00:06:05] I

[00:06:08] Comes out well that's solid advice dude. It's really good advice

[00:06:13] Think about the game that's that's my game in a nutshell

[00:06:16] I've lost match. I've lost matches to people that just hit the ball hard man

[00:06:20] It goes in things happen. So that's good. That's great advice if you're a player listening and you're new to the game

[00:06:27] Hit it hard

[00:06:29] Listen now don't get me wrong. You're gonna eat some balls

[00:06:32] Oh

[00:06:35] Yeah

[00:06:37] Yeah hit it hard good things chase. How many how many subscribers you got?

[00:06:41] Um, just shy 10,000 10,000 dude. How many views you got?

[00:06:46] A lot more than that

[00:06:48] Yeah, yeah, you're like a few million. Yeah, I was gonna say you're like in the

[00:06:54] Seven eight eight digits now. I think last time I checked dude. You got a bunch of views. So that's pretty awesome, man

[00:07:00] Yeah, I know you got a couple a couple videos that are in the 100 000s in the views. So that's dude

[00:07:05] You put out some solid solid stuff

[00:07:08] Yeah

[00:07:10] I mean, you know

[00:07:12] Knoxville

[00:07:14] Knoxville had a really nice scene before you got there, but

[00:07:17] And i'm not I tried to ruin it best I could well. I'm just saying i'm the look man

[00:07:21] I don't I don't want to blow your head up too big but since you've been there man

[00:07:24] The player base has definitely improved drastically

[00:07:28] I mean, even eddie's gotten a little better, which is so

[00:07:38] I will say this and I hope thomas can at least attest to it is

[00:07:42] I don't push people to get better

[00:07:44] But if they ask I will spend as much time trying to help them as possible

[00:07:49] Cool

[00:07:50] And if they if I they show interest or listen then I keep adding little tidbits as I see them come up

[00:07:57] Um

[00:07:58] But you know like anything you can't put the car before the horse right you have to learn a couple things and and show that

[00:08:03] You're gonna put in the time

[00:08:05] To kind of get that next quality tip if you will. Yeah, and I will attest to that

[00:08:10] Yeah, he's really good about doing that

[00:08:12] Which is not

[00:08:13] Not an easy thing when it comes to foosball because uh foosballers all tend to think like well

[00:08:17] I've got this path and I'm going to forge it and I'm going to be different and I'm going to do this

[00:08:21] You know and here he is he's like

[00:08:23] You need to be able to hit a wall pass

[00:08:26] You can't if you can hit a wall pass you can't hit anything else and they're like what?

[00:08:31] Watch this little chippy thing I do to you know

[00:08:34] And they'll sit with that and then week after week, you know eventually they'll come around

[00:08:38] And they're like yeah, did you see how you won that match?

[00:08:41] Right, you know

[00:08:43] Do you see the connections forming and so I mean yeah, it's been really great for our guys

[00:08:48] Uh, it's been really really really good

[00:08:51] Having having a player of that caliber of that level

[00:08:55] Really so what it does essentially is it exposes the cracks, right?

[00:09:01] because

[00:09:02] You know chase is gonna figure that stuff out and he's not gonna let you have it

[00:09:05] And then like you said after a few weeks of that little chippy thing not working

[00:09:09] How do I you know hey man? What do you do now?

[00:09:12] Yeah, you need a wall pass and I'm nuts like

[00:09:16] Right something for us it returned balance to the force because forever we were a one pro club

[00:09:22] And we had no experts we had like two amateurs that came like you know sometimes

[00:09:28] And then it was like a huge beginner in rookie base

[00:09:31] And just having being able to make that those balanced games every night

[00:09:35] You know and having a pro on your team telling you while you're doing it like hey, you know

[00:09:41] It's really really good to you know give eddie some real competition

[00:09:45] Yeah, well and then you guys like you the way you structure thing

[00:09:49] Could you talk about like the way you structure your tuesday nights just

[00:09:52] You don't know right. It's a lot it's gotten a lot simpler

[00:09:56] I'll put it that way. I mean, you know for us all we really care about is creating a fun environment where you can play as much

[00:10:02] foosball as you want

[00:10:04] And practice whatever you want and not really have anything on the line other than that one single game that you're playing in that moment

[00:10:11] Um, so for us now we just play pick up games. That's all we do on Tuesday nights

[00:10:14] We just play pick up games and then um, you know, we do sort of we've moved into having a monthly event

[00:10:22] So that you can have that

[00:10:24] Intensively competitive environment and then also just like hey, I'm just here to have fun and hang out with my friends

[00:10:30] Or also like, you know hold your grudges and grind your axes and you know

[00:10:35] Really just go at it for as long as you want

[00:10:38] Against the guys that you know

[00:10:40] You can you can make Tuesdays whatever you want to make it and that's what

[00:10:43] That's what's been good for us. I know a lot of clubs. That's

[00:10:48] Shocking, but probably what's uh, what's the percentage of successful just playing pick up games?

[00:10:52] What's the percentage of people that uh that you see come in as beginners that uh hang in there and become very competitive

[00:11:00] It's as low as you probably would expect

[00:11:03] Uh, I mean we we

[00:11:06] Do we'll catch, you know, we'll catch a few and we'll hook them in and we'll build them up over time

[00:11:11] But it's not like we have a whole new beginner each week or anything like that

[00:11:15] Like right now we kind of have you develop these sort of classes of players who are all sort of of the similar skill ranking and they

[00:11:22] You know, they duke it out week after week and they kind of grow up as the other club grows

[00:11:26] You know, you know the rookie division starts becoming amateurs and then the beginners start becoming rookies

[00:11:31] And hopefully you kind of keep that train rolling to keep feeding the the tournament guys and um

[00:11:38] And that's I mean it's been really nice

[00:11:41] It's been really really nice to see and it's been cool to see the results that you know

[00:11:45] The proof is in the pudding and it's our guys going and winning some of these bigger events

[00:11:50] Is yeah, yeah, you guys had a nice kickoff and and you know as most people know like

[00:11:56] retention and foosball is not

[00:11:59] Like nobody's really figured that out yet. So

[00:12:02] Um, but I mean for you guys your your group you you are doing a pretty nice job

[00:12:07] I know you know here here in alabama

[00:12:10] um

[00:12:11] I've been here for nine years and I don't know I don't know anybody that started playing since I've been here

[00:12:16] So, you know, we've had a couple of older guys that fell off that have come back

[00:12:20] Which is nice, but as far as like, you know, I think location is key because we we haven't really had

[00:12:28] Like just a solid location

[00:12:29] That's been like a staple or a stronghold for foosball and I think that's a really big deal

[00:12:34] You guys have a great location. Yeah, you really do

[00:12:37] They're kind of like you guys do your thing and you know, that's a big deal

[00:12:41] And I think that's a big part of it and then the events you guys hold like dude

[00:12:45] I've been there man. You guys do a great job. The events are great. Everything's cool. The location's great. They like

[00:12:50] How was the one last saturday? How'd that run?

[00:12:52] Sounds fun perfect

[00:12:54] Cool. What time what time did you guys get finished?

[00:12:57] 1130

[00:12:59] 1130 on a saturday

[00:13:01] Well, and we played we we did more than we should

[00:13:04] Yeah, we did we knew we were gonna end it not I do seven rounds and did it nine and we're like, let's do another one

[00:13:10] Everyone was just kind of it was just feeling kind of right

[00:13:13] And so we did another one which extended it that extra time

[00:13:16] But we kind of asked we're like are you guys cool with playing a little long because we usually try and end around 10 10 30

[00:13:22] um, and that's the beauty of having that control but um, yeah to kind of go back

[00:13:26] I want to talk a little bit about that location issue. Um

[00:13:31] It is so important people

[00:13:34] I feel like I love that that some people can have those private clubs, you know, we've started to see some private clubs happening

[00:13:41] Like there's a lot of buildings. Uh, Canada's got one the 508 guys, right? I think it's the 508

[00:13:48] They're opening up these like amazing awesome private clubs. You've got one string fellows down in georgia

[00:13:54] awesome amazing private club scenes

[00:13:56] But

[00:13:57] That works for like the existing foosball players, but it can be pretty, you know

[00:14:02] I'm all about getting like the public eyes, you know, that's where we are

[00:14:07] Have had so many of our players have come from just like they just see a table and in a location

[00:14:13] And or like just run into us on a weekend night seeing us playing

[00:14:16] Just getting in front of the people and playing in those high traffic areas is is just so cool

[00:14:21] Like the bristol guys there's a club opening up in bristol tennessee of where we are, you know, they're like an hour and a half away

[00:14:28] but

[00:14:29] They are opening up and this

[00:14:31] Beautiful pool hall. It's like on main street usa style in bristol

[00:14:37] I'm so excited for them to get started from it looks awesome. Yeah, I think it's gonna be really really cool and um

[00:14:43] You know, there's just a number of clubs out there that are that I think are doing a really really great job

[00:14:47] Of attracting and finding those beginners steve down in is it dallas?

[00:14:52] Have you guys seen the dallas club scene at all?

[00:14:57] And no

[00:14:58] No, it's not it's not brandon morland's. It's not brandon morland's club. This is something totally different

[00:15:03] Not it's not jason wicks

[00:15:05] No, yeah, sir. Maybe that's who i'm thinking. No, it's not them. It's it's steve

[00:15:08] It's steve. Uh, I forget this last night for farre fairer

[00:15:12] but uh

[00:15:14] Find sorry steve page. Check it out. I know and he actually came up. So what's cool is he came up

[00:15:20] The neat issue is he came to knotsville. He flew to knotsville visited us to see what we were doing

[00:15:26] It was like i'm gonna take this and do that where I am and I was like

[00:15:31] Respect, you know

[00:15:33] And look and again like that's what I mean. You guys are doing such a good job

[00:15:36] That but you know what i'm telling you is i've done this job compared to this guy

[00:15:40] This guy has like built a club. Not true. He's got three tables and he fills them up doing weekly stuff

[00:15:46] And then that's just pickup games. He's just doing he's doing that old chip system. We did

[00:15:50] Yeah, but he's taken it the next level and has like, you know trophies for

[00:15:55] You know different different levels and stuff, but he's uh, gosh so much respect. He's doing really great

[00:16:01] But anyways, that's just to say. I mean even even even you like, you know quit being so self deprecating

[00:16:07] Yeah, I mean you guys got a nice thing going dude. You could listen

[00:16:12] I've said, well, I look I say it all the time. I you know

[00:16:16] Promoting foosball is so thankless man. It really is and people don't understand how much work goes into it

[00:16:23] and and

[00:16:25] foosball players are selfish and

[00:16:27] You know and we want it our way and we don't appreciate anything

[00:16:31] I know that but you know, that's true. I think I really do appreciate it. I mean, I get thanks all the time

[00:16:37] Look man for the most part, you know, look most people are just good people, right?

[00:16:41] But I'm saying you you have you have the few that are just

[00:16:45] You know, they're they're gonna be upset no matter what you do

[00:16:47] If you run a tournament the way they want they're gonna find a reason to be mad the balls aren't good the table sock

[00:16:52] We don't have those people. The light the light

[00:16:54] That's the thing we don't put up with us. That's what I mean

[00:16:57] You got a good you got a good thing dude

[00:16:58] He has not been to like the locations that have like the people that no matter what are going to get into an argument

[00:17:05] And they're all of a sudden there's like a blow up at table four for no reason

[00:17:10] I mean, there's always and I've I've one of those I've been all over the place

[00:17:15] I've moved quite a bit

[00:17:16] I've been to a lot of different like clubs and I've in there's almost always that guy

[00:17:21] Like there's always, you know, the kermudgeon dude that like it's real angry like no matter what

[00:17:26] You want me to drop names? You want me to drop? No, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it

[00:17:30] I'm not putting anybody on blast right now. No, he hasn't had to deal with that ever

[00:17:35] We one time we had one guy walk in the door and we taught we told him what we were doing and he turned around and walked out

[00:17:41] And I was like, well, that's probably for the best even better. Good. Good

[00:17:44] He's like a high level who's one player. He's like no, he just left. I was like, all right fine

[00:17:51] No, no tom there look there was a couple times where

[00:17:55] um

[00:17:56] I was driving to massachusetts and my wife was like, when are you leaving? I was like, i'm gonna leave tuesday

[00:18:01] Leave tuesday afternoon and she was like, okay

[00:18:04] And then I would just drive five hours to noxville and

[00:18:07] Did that and play and play foosball for like an hour and then finish the trip up to massachusetts

[00:18:11] Because I knew they were playing I was like, ah, it's an excuse to stop and and play foosball. So yeah

[00:18:15] Yeah, because they they do they got a nice they got a nice thing going man. It really is

[00:18:20] I'll say this I've been like I said, I've been to a bunch of places

[00:18:24] Um, I didn't show up at a weekly like

[00:18:29] On a weekly basis to any of them

[00:18:32] And I show up almost every single tuesday. You gotta show up every single thing. It's not almost

[00:18:38] I'm almost 30 tuesday

[00:18:40] But because it's more fun for me like as a pro like I hate doing dyps

[00:18:46] Like I I don't like doing those things because

[00:18:49] There when the money gets involved and and you're always like

[00:18:53] Somebody's always complaining about somebody. Well, I got the worst player there

[00:18:58] On man, like it sucks the life out of this. It's no longer fun

[00:19:02] Yeah, like when I can jump in and play with a bunch of different people and work on something like

[00:19:07] That for me is more entertaining like last tuesday

[00:19:10] I shot a bank shot all night all night long

[00:19:13] Just for the fun of it out on the back something we're good

[00:19:16] And and that for me is fun like I can putz around it have a good time

[00:19:20] But if I'm trying to do a dyp, I can't really do that. I mean I could but

[00:19:25] When somebody draws me they're like, oh, I got chase. Yeah, like

[00:19:31] No, dude, it's no the expectation's high

[00:19:35] They put pressure on you. It's like dude

[00:19:38] You know dyps I tell people I'm like look dyps don't count right? No one time one time

[00:19:44] I beat tony and a dyp. I'm like who cares dude. He don't

[00:19:50] It's a draw like nobody it's a dyp

[00:19:52] But I you know, I had one of my local guys back home asked me last time I was there he goes

[00:19:56] You know, what do you do when you draw somebody bad in a dyp? I said, I just play foosball

[00:20:05] I don't worry about them. I just play foosball and he's like, yeah, but you know, what if they I said

[00:20:10] What does it matter? So like just just play foosball, man

[00:20:13] Just pass and score. I said work on your stuff. You can't control what they're doing, right?

[00:20:17] Just do control what you can do and have I said, dude

[00:20:21] Just try and have a good time. That's it, man. If it's not fun, there's no point

[00:20:26] There's no community to like that's you know

[00:20:29] Being able to have just pick up games too enables you to kind of build that community because you change partners all the time

[00:20:35] You can walk outside together. You can come back in together. You can you know, you

[00:20:41] I know we're talking about formats a lot, but it's that community

[00:20:44] It is the community the group of guys or you know, I say that bottom line

[00:20:49] Well, that's the other thing if you're doing a draw, you're stuck there till two in the morning

[00:20:53] Like on a Tuesday night. No, I'd never be able to do that

[00:20:56] You know, if it's a weekday no chance and my weekends are for my family and my kids for the most part

[00:21:00] Like and I feel like a lot of foosball people are like that

[00:21:03] So having it on a Tuesday night. I mean, you know, whatever day of the week

[00:21:07] Whatever but having it then and having it where you can basically go home whenever you want

[00:21:12] You can come in just play for an hour

[00:21:14] You know what I mean? Like people do that. People come in the baby had a baby three days ago

[00:21:17] Yeah, I'm in for like one hour, you know all his family sitting around seriously come into like hey

[00:21:21] Can I come in like we're like oh get him on a hundred percent did it on Tuesday

[00:21:24] He had a kid that weekend on saturday. He was there on Tuesday

[00:21:27] Hey

[00:21:29] Came in for literally just an hour whatever it was, you know and then

[00:21:33] Look off, but he was able to get that nice little, you know come in hang out foosball life, man

[00:21:38] Yeah, that's that's just that's somebody who's got their priorities in order. I'm saying

[00:21:42] It's got a good support

[00:21:47] He's like he's like he's like wife baby foosball

[00:21:52] I

[00:21:56] What could you think about it? I mean, I'm just saying yeah. Hey, hey, you got the kid are you good?

[00:22:01] I'm gonna go play some foosball. I'll be back. All right. Yeah, that's what he did

[00:22:05] No, no, listen. No, see this is you guys don't know. He was like, oh we need diapers. Yeah, I'll be right

[00:22:12] Weird they were out the head going to another store

[00:22:15] Oh, I had to go to other side of town. It was a wreck. Oh

[00:22:19] They didn't have the panpers they had the the other stuff

[00:22:23] That's why he walked in. He was like, all right guys. I got I got an hour. Let's go

[00:22:27] He said to stop watch

[00:22:30] What you get creative. All right. You have to be creative. Yeah

[00:22:33] Yeah, that's right. See

[00:22:36] You think he was like, yeah, yeah foosball I'm dedicated. He was like no

[00:22:39] I mean he wanted to play foosball, but yeah, oh we need wipes. We need diapers

[00:22:45] No, I'll be right back. I love you. Yeah

[00:22:47] Notice how that's done in a very uh accurate uh new england accent

[00:22:53] Oh, yeah, what do you need? Very accurate. What are you? What? I'll go to the store. What do you need cigarettes?

[00:23:01] May to go to dunking get you a coffee

[00:23:03] See they invented this this uh

[00:23:06] That's right

[00:23:07] Yeah, my dad my dad left one time to get milk and he was gone for like 10 years so whatever

[00:23:12] Oh

[00:23:15] 2% milk he came back with a gallon of whole milk. He forgot what kind of milk you're supposed to get

[00:23:20] And that's what he said. He's like, oh, they were out in the back. I had to wait for them to go in the back

[00:23:24] Yeah, so anyway, it's like a weird quest. No, I'm just kidding. That never happened. Come on

[00:23:30] My mom and dad look a funny story. My mom and dad just celebrated their 44th

[00:23:34] 44th wedding anniversary, right? I text my dad the morning of I go, hey dad happy anniversary. He goes, is that today?

[00:23:42] Oops, and then he called he calls me and he's and he's like he's like jeez 44 years. So that's a long time

[00:23:47] He said that's too long, huh?

[00:23:50] I said what and he was like, oh, yeah, he said you'll understand when you get there

[00:23:54] I said dad. I'm probably not gonna make it to 44 years. He goes. Yeah, you're probably right. All right. Have a good day

[00:24:04] All right

[00:24:05] There's that by the way dad's not a foosball player just saying no no actually my dad used to play foosball

[00:24:12] Are there any players?

[00:24:14] Who have who you know of that have started using your videos or started using your videos and then actually

[00:24:22] drove down the road to pro

[00:24:25] I know a bunch that have

[00:24:28] gotten as far as

[00:24:31] expert

[00:24:32] Okay, I have not heard of anyone that's actually made it all the way to pro yet

[00:24:37] Okay, but I mean it's so technically it is a road to pro you're on the road to get there. You got it. Yeah, okay

[00:24:44] Yeah, yeah

[00:24:47] I

[00:24:49] It is not an easy task to get to the pro level

[00:24:52] Um

[00:24:54] It is super tricky. Um, especially now in my opinion. It's even harder than it's ever been

[00:25:00] um

[00:25:02] Yeah, I don't it's not you're not gonna see a ton of

[00:25:07] Incoming pros in my opinion outside of like, you know the young guns

[00:25:12] That are coming up just just my feeling

[00:25:16] um, you know, they're gonna be second generation foosers

[00:25:19] Um, you know coming guns a blazing. You're those are the guys you're gonna see jump up to the pro level

[00:25:24] Other than that you're gonna see, you know one or two guys every now and then who you know

[00:25:28] Win a couple big titles and get bumped up. Yeah

[00:25:32] Like how many last last year

[00:25:35] I think I'm just trying to think off the top of my head like how many guys actually transition into pro last year

[00:25:42] Yeah, it's actually on the points committee. If you ever have a question about points complain about points. There you go, thomas

[00:25:47] This is the guy right here

[00:25:50] You feel those bus tires

[00:25:52] Just

[00:25:55] How many players last year actually transitioned from expert to pro

[00:25:59] Do you know what's interesting? I don't remember. I know

[00:26:02] More of pro to master

[00:26:04] Yeah, yeah, that was like three right that was like two or five. I think five was shannon

[00:26:09] Jeff pithkin jr. He was and then kenneth dale kenneth dale

[00:26:14] um

[00:26:16] We're the other two there's two more. I just can't remember who they are off top of my head. Yeah

[00:26:21] Hey

[00:26:23] Although we may have bumped one of them back. I think

[00:26:26] Because it wasn't it wasn't right that they got

[00:26:30] Was was it cody did cody get bumped last year the year before he got a bump the year before

[00:26:35] Okay, and now he just got bumped in singles. I know that

[00:26:39] um

[00:26:40] But like in pro I think it was

[00:26:43] Maybe I I thought it was like 10 9 10 11 something like that. Yeah, it wasn't many

[00:26:49] It was like a handful. Yeah, it was like a handful and I think that's about what it is

[00:26:54] Every year. I don't think people really understand

[00:26:58] Um, because I have guys tell me like oh, I'm just gonna be a pro. I'm like sweet

[00:27:04] How many points do you have they're like, oh, I've never been I've never been to a tournament

[00:27:08] I'm like awesome. So

[00:27:10] You know as you get to the top of any division, right?

[00:27:14] You you you get seated

[00:27:17] Higher which means now it makes even harder. Yeah, you have to meet your seed right and then

[00:27:23] So if you don't you lose those points and then the bonus points and we've had donal on here talking about the points

[00:27:29] But it's like there there's less points to gain. So you have to do better more often

[00:27:33] It's just it's it's hard to move up and I don't think people really understand that

[00:27:38] And the other question is too is should there be as many pro masters as there are?

[00:27:43] I mean, is there too many pro masters?

[00:27:45] Yeah

[00:27:46] My opinion. Okay. Yeah, I think

[00:27:50] I I so I've had this debate and it continues to go on with the rest of the points committee

[00:27:56] um

[00:27:58] I think

[00:27:59] That it shouldn't just be a points thing to become a master. Okay, you shouldn't just be able to gain just enough points

[00:28:06] I think there should also be

[00:28:08] Like you had to have won a major or you had to have placed at a major x amount of times

[00:28:15] Or you have to have, you know, so many open titles

[00:28:19] um

[00:28:19] Because there's people that you can technically get there if you go to every event and you do well

[00:28:25] Especially like these state events, right? You're gonna gain enough points that you could eventually get there, right?

[00:28:31] But does that mean you're a master of the game?

[00:28:35] Not necessarily. Yeah, I don't think so. Um, and I also think that there's this massive gap

[00:28:41] Um, there's a huge gap between expert and pro. I mean, it's a monster gap. Yeah, but the gap between pro and pro master

[00:28:49] is ginormous

[00:28:51] Yeah, exactly. It's ginormous because you can have the skills

[00:28:56] Like the physical attributes on the table are one thing

[00:29:00] But this on the table

[00:29:03] Yeah

[00:29:03] And and being able to do that and recognizing what's going on and what they're doing to you what you're doing to them

[00:29:09] And and knowing, you know and having the the confidence to then execute it

[00:29:15] like

[00:29:16] in that pressure moment like

[00:29:19] Oh

[00:29:21] That's a lot. That's a lot. Yeah. Yeah. I've I've said this before I think like

[00:29:27] you know

[00:29:29] Like good pros

[00:29:31] Right, like one like at the expert level even when I was an expert

[00:29:35] I was like I'm seeing it happen and I'm maybe like on the way home going

[00:29:40] I probably should have did this. I should have did that right and then like even good pros good pros are adjusting like

[00:29:46] Maybe every three to five balls six balls

[00:29:50] Masters are adjusting ball to ball like they're seeing it

[00:29:54] In the moment making the adjustment it's and you like you see it matches with like ryan and tony ryan and brandon

[00:30:00] tony and brandon it's like

[00:30:02] They're moving it's like chess and then

[00:30:05] Then you see

[00:30:07] You know them play

[00:30:09] Even a pro and it's almost like you kind of feel bad for the pro because

[00:30:14] And this is like this is a good pro player

[00:30:16] That's getting abused because and that just shows you like the the how wide the gap is right?

[00:30:23] So, you know, I I think

[00:30:26] The the point like the point setting is right

[00:30:29] Like chase said you can go to enough state and regional events and do well and gain point

[00:30:33] And it's not necessarily going to be easy, but you could do it right

[00:30:37] So like the us tsa the way they used to do points in the

[00:30:42] In the 90s and then even the early 2000s. I remember it was like

[00:30:46] You showed up and if you didn't go out in two

[00:30:49] You gained points and then if you beat somebody above your level you got like bonus points

[00:30:54] So as long as you showed up and didn't didn't find out you would basically gain points

[00:30:58] So you could move up quickly if you played enough events and just were consistently

[00:31:04] Doing okay, right? So, um where now it's like

[00:31:09] You know if you're

[00:31:11] If you're just not I mean, you know

[00:31:14] I look at some of the results from vegas and there were a couple people

[00:31:18] That have been doing you know doing okay at the state level and and the hall of fame is a major and it's

[00:31:23] I mean like I said if you're doing well at the hall of fame then you're you're

[00:31:27] That's saying something. Yeah, you're playing well. Yeah. Yeah, and there were some people that went that have been playing

[00:31:32] Well at the state level and went there and didn't do well and ended up losing some points and it's like

[00:31:38] I mean

[00:31:40] Sorry, like it's you know

[00:31:42] Like the hall of fame in worlds for me. I feel like our gauge like a really good gauge for how you're

[00:31:48] Yeah, you don't say oh no question

[00:31:51] Well, here's a yeah, hey guy. Well, here's a here's a question. I've I've got you've got a

[00:31:56] 73 people showed up for the hall of fame classic from other countries

[00:32:00] Now they're not rated in our country

[00:32:03] They don't have the ifp points that that our people do and yet they walk in and they

[00:32:08] I don't know what the what the assumption is but if they're a world-class player in let's say germany or france

[00:32:15] How are they how are they supposed to be?

[00:32:17] Rated when they first step into the arena here in america. I mean, how do we how do we gauge that?

[00:32:23] So just coming here. Yeah, so just coming here without us knowing anything about them. They're automatically an expert

[00:32:30] Okay, automatically without

[00:32:33] Anything without us to knowing anything and then if we know about them

[00:32:38] If I basically know their name, they're probably getting thrown into pro. Okay. Okay, and then

[00:32:44] You know, then there's the debates. Well, does this person should this person be a master?

[00:32:49] Should this you know, do we keep them out of the pro division for this and that's kind of a case by case?

[00:32:55] for a lot of those guys

[00:32:58] Because if it's not their home table, right? I have a really hard time saying they can't play pro

[00:33:04] Like I struggle with that

[00:33:06] Because honestly, I want to go beat their butt on table

[00:33:09] So sure and that's who I am like

[00:33:12] I I've said for the longest time. I don't think a lot of these guys should be getting bumped up to master

[00:33:16] I'm like, let's leave them in the pro division. I want to shot at them anyway. Okay. Um

[00:33:22] So I'm always big on that. I know a bunch of others within the the committee are

[00:33:27] You know, well if they gain enough points, they should be there or if they've won something internationally

[00:33:32] They should be there. I'm like

[00:33:34] I don't know about that

[00:33:37] What did they win it on what table right exactly? Yeah, exactly. I mean how many tornado tournaments do they really have over their year?

[00:33:43] It's not a ton. Not much a couple for sure. Yeah, but not a ton

[00:33:48] so

[00:33:50] That'd be my argument. Yeah, no, I noticed uh, Bjorn Bjorn Hoffman. It was playing with tony straighterman

[00:33:55] I mean really excellent player. Um, it's hard to say though, whether he's a pro level

[00:34:01] You know what just watching his game. I think maybe he might be high expert

[00:34:04] But maybe low pro something like that, but but still on tornado. Yeah, tornado exactly

[00:34:10] And that's what and so his name was one of the names that came up. Mm-hmm, right

[00:34:14] In our chat we're like, okay. Well, this is interesting. Well, if you're coming here to play with tony spredeman

[00:34:19] Yeah, the tonics

[00:34:22] Like right i'm just saying like you're gonna get that's just bottom line

[00:34:27] um

[00:34:28] Because you're not just a scrub typically if you're playing with tony unless you're you know, giving him the full boat ride or something

[00:34:34] I don't know

[00:34:37] You know, but

[00:34:39] And that's who somebody that's somebody he wants to play with over overseas. So it's it's you know, not the same thing

[00:34:44] Yeah, right dolly bore I dolly bore

[00:34:48] Uh, I saw his points before vegas and you guys had him at like 3500 on both sides and I thought that was pretty fair because

[00:34:55] Uh, you know, that's a guy who's won a world championship on garland. Oh, he's won a world championship on tornado

[00:35:01] But I think it was the semi pro or expert level like, you know guys like that you just you know

[00:35:09] Do you got that? I that's one I think you got right even bjorn. I think you got that one right

[00:35:14] There were there were some I mean

[00:35:17] It's it's

[00:35:19] Yeah

[00:35:22] Like you're just right you're rating you're rating somebody. I mean you have to also take into consideration

[00:35:26] That I don't know what American players are going to be there

[00:35:30] Right, right? So I have to make an assumption

[00:35:33] that

[00:35:35] I'm assuming that all of the top pros are also going to be there

[00:35:39] Because there's people i'm gonna go. Yeah, he's not going to beat that guy

[00:35:42] You know what I mean like I just

[00:35:43] Want to pay on yeah on paper on paper 100%

[00:35:46] Yeah, yeah, I just don't think he's going to beat that guy on tornado

[00:35:50] Like

[00:35:51] You know nine out of ten times. I don't know what you know, but and that's kind of how I base everything all my decisions

[00:35:58] Is is probably the best way of describing it. Yeah

[00:36:01] Well again a guy like a guy like a guy like dollyboard like you can't stick him an expert

[00:36:06] No, sure he's he's he's gonna win expert singles

[00:36:08] No, no disrespect to the expert players

[00:36:10] But the a guy a guy with that skill and not even just a skill his his mental game his ability to manage the table

[00:36:18] He's gonna he's gonna win expert singles

[00:36:20] Uh, I mean look he finished he finished top five and pro singles in that field

[00:36:25] Uh, I mean jakeb jakeb put a beating on that dude

[00:36:30] But jakeb is jakeb's the one seed, you know and jakeb's a beast too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good player

[00:36:37] You know, it's it's he's a freight train. You got to slow that thing down

[00:36:41] How far is uh, how far is jakeb freight train go? I mean jakeb kept me that many points away from becoming pro master, right?

[00:36:48] So last time I checked last time I checked he's

[00:36:51] I think he's like 115 points in singles something like that away. Okay

[00:36:56] He's like he's like one. He's one good like one good went away. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm

[00:37:01] So like let's just say minnesota. He goes to minnesota

[00:37:05] He does good and open and he wins pro singles. He's he's he's done and pro master. Yeah

[00:37:12] Wow, so good

[00:37:15] Good go

[00:37:17] Don't worry about you anymore

[00:37:19] Good

[00:37:20] Go I need I need them to start winning some pro doubles events before worlds too. Go

[00:37:29] Where's randy's priorities here? I'm just yeah curious. I don't know whatever

[00:37:34] I know eric's listening. I know eric tell americ. Let's go

[00:37:38] Oh, yeah

[00:37:39] That's the thing that's the thing even at the scrump level right like the guy that I lost to in rookie doubles

[00:37:44] At like a small battle in the mountains or whatever tournament. Yep a while back this year

[00:37:49] He won expert doubles in uh, vegas. He did

[00:37:53] The same dude

[00:37:56] Really

[00:37:59] Well, hang on

[00:38:00] How much time would be went by between those two matches?

[00:38:03] I mean how much time not long was it? No, it was like a year and a half. Maybe no not even a year ago

[00:38:09] Wow, that battle the mountains event that was in like the winter. It was like

[00:38:14] Cold like yeah, so no wait. He was still rookie and I think he won expert

[00:38:20] Was it the battle or was it north carolina state? It was north carolina state in state

[00:38:24] Yeah, that's no that's Thanksgiving dude. That's November. Yeah. Yeah

[00:38:27] That was recently. That was just november. December january february march

[00:38:32] Four months. Yeah goes to an expert

[00:38:35] So

[00:38:36] What's wrong with this picture? What's going on? He was watching roads

[00:38:41] It's hard

[00:38:44] That explains it I will say this that's the problem with having a point system right there

[00:38:49] Yeah, there's no way of knowing how much time he's putting in on the back end, right? Like we don't

[00:38:55] Maybe he just got lucky. I don't know right. We don't know the circumstances, right? He had a great run

[00:39:00] Boy, I guess

[00:39:01] But at the same time like that's the thing you can't calculate

[00:39:06] Like you can't take into consideration the dude that hasn't been playing

[00:39:10] You know, he's been playing locally for 10 15 years, right?

[00:39:13] Right. Maybe he's put 10 hours a day on the foosball table, but he hasn't gone to one tournament

[00:39:19] Well, like

[00:39:20] You can't you can't factor. I'm just saying like that's the thing you can't factor into the points

[00:39:25] Got a wonder right somebody like that could come in and just sweep

[00:39:28] Five divisions. Sure. One other thing I'd like to mention that just as a scrub

[00:39:33] Talk about point

[00:39:36] Go scrubs. We determine who scrubs are

[00:39:39] You're not a scrub

[00:39:41] It's like the military it rolls downhill. All right

[00:39:45] Points for me. I don't want points the only way I want to ever get points is from that first place trophy

[00:39:51] Like my worst nightmare in foosball is like passing a rank having never actually got like a really good respectable finish

[00:39:59] Oh, yeah

[00:40:00] I don't feel like it, you know

[00:40:01] Because then if I like just skipped right over rookie and never had a first place rookie finish

[00:40:05] I'd be like was I ever a rookie like or what if you just win amateur? It would just suck

[00:40:09] I would not like it. I don't like it. Okay. I want to win

[00:40:14] I want to have you want to work for it. He wants to work for it. I have done the one in each

[00:40:18] I totally respect that. I never want a rookie event. I never wanted expert one

[00:40:22] See

[00:40:25] I want a rookie jacket. I wouldn't you yeah, I I skip basically over expert

[00:40:30] Man, see there you go

[00:40:32] Wow

[00:40:33] I have like I don't know a dozen like semi pro and expert titles

[00:40:38] I've never won anything rookie or amateur or anything like I just

[00:40:43] No, man, I never got a beginner win wind up win and I never got a

[00:40:47] Every time is that how so there's hope there's hope

[00:40:52] I just I just always I wanted to win open. I was wanting to win open dude. Oh, yeah

[00:40:57] Yeah, feel different. So my first big my first big win was open doubles at nc state and 04

[00:41:03] Before I ever won anything

[00:41:06] Are you serious that was my first time that was my first so my first turn was on october of 2004

[00:41:12] Was it 04 or 05? Okay. Yeah, it was 05. I'm sorry guys are the same

[00:41:18] The same graduating class basically

[00:41:20] No, he wouldn't well ahead of me. Oh, I started it. My first torstop was 03

[00:41:25] So before that, okay. Yeah

[00:41:29] Yeah, but nc state 05 I played with billy. We won open doubles. That was my first title

[00:41:36] He played but no, wait, wait, wait. No wait. No that wait

[00:41:39] I won I won the 3500 limited at utah state and 04 with brian turman

[00:41:45] I forgot about that one

[00:41:46] But uh, i'm saying like like big title. Yeah, it was uh major

[00:41:51] You and billy played privately a lot together, right? That was the

[00:41:55] I would go to yeah, I would go to billy's house all the time. Yeah, okay

[00:41:58] Okay, so he you were his protégé there you go took you to an open. No protégé

[00:42:03] I know

[00:42:05] I was billy would use a different word

[00:42:07] Yeah, I was just punching bag. You just beat the hell out of me. So

[00:42:11] I know that billy

[00:42:13] Oh dude, you have no idea

[00:42:19] Coming through the door and his his table was right here

[00:42:22] And then it was a kitchen and a living room and he would already be playing and I'd come through the door and put my stuff down and then

[00:42:29] Walk around and I would be crammed on the other side of the table for hours

[00:42:33] Crammed on the other side

[00:42:35] Just getting a day like me

[00:42:37] He's crashed us dummy

[00:42:40] I know the feel I loved it every minute of i'm sure you did. I'm sure you did

[00:42:46] It's um, you need to hell out of me

[00:42:48] So that that's an interesting point. Uh, you know, some people do like that and some people don't I love it

[00:42:53] so like

[00:42:55] I would say your average foosball player is not going to continue playing foosball in that scenario that would not

[00:43:00] Probably true

[00:43:02] They would prefer to have the game where they feel like they have a chance to win

[00:43:05] It's it depends on but how far in though because there's there's uh, there's a degree. I think um

[00:43:13] Well, no, I I still remember back in

[00:43:15] 2011 when I first got back into the game

[00:43:18] Going to the local dyp on a Wednesday night and just getting slaughtered over and over and over and over and over again

[00:43:25] And getting addicted to the point where i'm like, i'm i'm gonna stick around whereas other people that I was playing with in those days just bailed

[00:43:32] But I you know, there was just something about it. I just couldn't walk away

[00:43:36] So i'm not sure everybody's gonna walk away when they get their ass kicked necessarily. No, not everybody obviously not everybody

[00:43:43] Yeah, these guys not everybody but i'm just stupid, you know, I feel like it's important to have an environment where that's

[00:43:49] That's not the only option. It's just to lose every week for years in the urethane

[00:43:53] I think it's an old school mentality to be honest with you

[00:43:55] Yeah, I I feel like foosball now like a lot of people

[00:43:59] It's like if I don't have an advantage an edge a handicap something then

[00:44:03] I don't want to play because if I don't have a chance to win

[00:44:06] It's like well

[00:44:07] You want to know why guys like chase and I have a chance to win when we play

[00:44:11] it's because

[00:44:12] We practice and we put the work time in and

[00:44:15] But the time it well got our butts kicked for days on end by people that are better than

[00:44:19] Yeah

[00:44:23] Point number two in order to really survive in that environment. What do you what else do you need?

[00:44:27] Besides just getting your butt kicked. What do you need? You need a $2,300 table

[00:44:32] I mean

[00:44:36] I turned amateur on a whirlwind

[00:44:41] My first my first table you had my first table was a tornado a tornado sport that

[00:44:47] Crap with the walls that was

[00:44:51] It was something I could practice on I had I could practice my five. That's it. That's all I cared about

[00:44:57] That's it. Yeah, I played on that same exact table. It had the crappy bearings to like snap in bearings

[00:45:03] Snap in bearings. Yep. And I didn't have the same thing

[00:45:06] Foot levelers that

[00:45:08] It just flat things you put cardboard in them to try and get it to level out

[00:45:11] Yep. Oh, yeah

[00:45:15] I use matchsticks and a couple of couple of old

[00:45:18] Curt rods. That's what I had

[00:45:21] Canola oil to lube it up

[00:45:24] That was my first table. We use Chris. Yeah, Chris

[00:45:28] Probably a dozen tables

[00:45:29] I would just buy him for 500 bucks and play on them and then sell them for 800 bucks and

[00:45:34] You know and the thing is like I get it

[00:45:36] You need a table and you need somebody to teach you how to play and but you have to be willing to put the work in

[00:45:42] Oh, I tell people

[00:45:44] You need to build a good foundation, right?

[00:45:47] And you need to be willing to practice the stuff that nobody else wants to practice

[00:45:50] The little tedious things are what make a difference

[00:45:52] So big time

[00:45:54] Yeah

[00:45:55] It's no, it's 100 right though. And you know, actually I was telling tom a story before this started

[00:46:02] When nobody else was here and I I was talking to tom about what does it take to get a pull shot like yours?

[00:46:09] You know what I mean? Because I was a pull shooter. I'm like, I want a good pull shot

[00:46:13] What's it going to take to get there?

[00:46:15] So

[00:46:15] I go to tom like, hey man, what do I got to do? I'll do anything. What does it take?

[00:46:19] He's like, well, you know the the number I've come up with is 10 000

[00:46:23] You have to do 10 000 pulls in a short period of time. I'm like, well, what's a short period of time?

[00:46:29] It's like right around, you know three months couple months

[00:46:33] I got a box of foosballs. I knew exactly how many were in that box. I'd shoot

[00:46:39] 400 500 a day

[00:46:41] A day just a day. Yeah. Yeah until I got to 10 000 it took me three months

[00:46:46] I blew my shoulder to pieces. I couldn't lift anything for like a month after that. I could barely play foosball

[00:46:53] I had to shoot a roll over for like the next year

[00:46:56] But when I came out on the other side, I had an you know above average pull shot

[00:47:02] Just above average just just just slightly above average. Wow. That's extraordinary

[00:47:08] but it it was one of those things like that

[00:47:12] realization

[00:47:12] Like after coming out on the other side that I realized like oh, this is how you have to do everything

[00:47:20] Like it's not just and I had a great three rod that I could score on everybody, but I could never get the ball

[00:47:28] There's that like then there was that like oh

[00:47:33] Now what do I do?

[00:47:35] Right like so then realizing oh now I have to go and do this on my five bar

[00:47:43] Yeah, and that's that took a whole lot more time. Yeah, that's that's um, that's truly a drudgery at times

[00:47:48] Just just trying to the the game

[00:47:51] I like to play is is uh, if I can make 10 passes on one

[00:47:55] You know and not miss one but 10 passes in a row

[00:47:58] Then I can move on to the other the next pass

[00:48:01] And it's yeah, it's tough

[00:48:03] man

[00:48:05] It's crazy

[00:48:07] Not making a mistake. Oh, yeah

[00:48:08] Being consistent being consistent is is like winning foosball the guys who are winning are just they're consistent, right?

[00:48:15] My my first year when I got my table my first year. I practiced eight hours a day every day for a year

[00:48:20] Wow, that's what I was saying to him. That's exactly right. I that whole summer

[00:48:24] I practice 68 hours every single day every day and then I went out and played at night

[00:48:30] Yeah, yeah, so I was I was playing foosball. I was playing foosball, you know 10 to 12 hours a day every day for about a year

[00:48:36] my first year

[00:48:38] Yeah, but that's the difference. I mean, yeah, it sounds horrible, but like that's the difference between

[00:48:45] Well, you know an amateur pro level. Yeah and and and and but it just it like

[00:48:50] You know, it kind of frustrates me a little bit like when you go to a local

[00:48:55] And and they get upset at you because oh are you always you you know, it's like, yeah

[00:49:00] But you never practice you come out to play once in a while and you expect to be successful when

[00:49:08] You don't put in

[00:49:09] Not even a you're fracked into the amount of time I've put in and again, I still look my my table's right here

[00:49:15] I was on my table for an hour today. I touched my table every day every day. I touched my table

[00:49:19] It's I'm in my office. I come in here to shoot an email

[00:49:23] I'm waiting for a response

[00:49:24] And I'm over there shooting balls. So this is my office too

[00:49:28] That's the same thing

[00:49:30] Tom asked me to do this earlier, but yes gotta see it

[00:49:35] Look at that. Yeah like that

[00:49:37] That's sweet. That is a sweet setup, man

[00:49:40] That's what we do up here

[00:49:42] That is I call the office. I literally call this the office like the food's office

[00:49:47] So like we have little get-togethers here from time to time like right post covid when I moved here like

[00:49:52] This was kind of like one of the places we play every now and then and

[00:49:56] But that's I mean that is my hobby right there like

[00:50:00] That's what yeah, he's got my wife painted both of those paintings right there

[00:50:05] Oh, she did wow very nice very nice

[00:50:09] Yeah, it's having a

[00:50:12] Usable foos room at your disposal man. That's that's that's huge and it's it's kind of like living the dream

[00:50:17] Especially if you want to get better at this game

[00:50:19] Um, but for those of us that don't necessarily have either the space or the the the uh the investment

[00:50:28] Yes

[00:50:30] Get a better job

[00:50:33] But uh, yeah go sell go sell drugs. What would you?

[00:50:40] Chase what would you recommend to somebody who just can really get to their their maybe their local

[00:50:45] You know a couple times a week maybe just to just to practice on their own. Hey, what would you recommend?

[00:50:50] Yeah, so it I I'm a firm believer in keeping it simple

[00:50:54] Right like if you can just master a couple little aspects of the game

[00:50:59] You're gonna go a lot further than most people, you know

[00:51:03] You want to have a solid five bar?

[00:51:05] You know if you can do a brush series or a stick series pick one, you know

[00:51:11] Both in my opinion are equal to some degree as long as you're comfortable with it

[00:51:16] I've gone back and forth between the two, but have a wall pass. Have a lame pass make them look similar

[00:51:22] Okay, okay. That's the bottom line do that

[00:51:25] Once you have that really work on a shot

[00:51:28] Don't be shooting

[00:51:31] Scorpions and aliens and slingshots and

[00:51:33] Tic-Tac

[00:51:36] Crazy like yeah, yeah be boring. It's right be born be boring

[00:51:41] You know set up a rollover set up a pull shot whatever it is and and

[00:51:46] That's what you do

[00:51:48] Live in your world. Okay. Yeah build the foundation and that's what you do

[00:51:53] Once you get inside live in your box

[00:51:55] Don't get outside your box and once you get good at doing those things then you can expand a little bit. Okay

[00:52:02] You're a good friend rafa in my opinion is excelling at this. Yeah, he's living on it

[00:52:07] He I I've told him just do this and he's like, okay

[00:52:10] And he just does it and he went from

[00:52:13] a low beginner

[00:52:15] And he is

[00:52:16] Moving quick folks to watch out nice like and he gets it like he's like, okay now. I understand why you said to do this

[00:52:25] His goalie game has gotten drastically better. Nice and again. He's doing it simple. He's your goal

[00:52:32] But he keeps it simple. I'm like, dude. Here's what you're gonna do. You're gonna do these two shots

[00:52:36] This is your out. These are your two passes like it sounds like that's a lot

[00:52:41] But when you base everything off of like two things like I'm like, here's your do this wall pass

[00:52:47] And then do this shot and then this little pass kind of resets them

[00:52:51] And then I know you really like this one thing. So just add that into it

[00:52:55] Like and he's like, okay, and he's successful at very successful. Yeah, right like

[00:53:01] Throws up those walls too. He's doing work. Yeah. Nice. That's how you get better at fuzo

[00:53:06] And he is somebody that doesn't practice much. No, no, no, he's no just plays at the weekly

[00:53:11] He just plays at the weekly. Mm-hmm. Okay

[00:53:13] If you can do those things and you and you are committed you have to

[00:53:18] It's so hard to commit to being to being like just doing that. That's it. Yeah now

[00:53:22] He's got the drive. I mean he is one of the most driven always thinks he can win no matter who he's playing

[00:53:28] He's gonna he and his cool. He's won before he started the game. Yeah style guys

[00:53:33] Yeah, so attitude comes into play attitude

[00:53:36] Definitely play. Oh, it's one of the biggest things is that mental that mental edge is just so much, you know

[00:53:41] Not getting rattled on the stuff that just rolls in

[00:53:45] You know and just believe it in yourself believe in your teammate

[00:53:49] Right get you a long way now

[00:53:50] I mean the one other thing I would add to that is if you are someone just showing up to your weekly and hoping to get better

[00:53:56] Is to identify a target

[00:53:58] and to

[00:54:00] Just like make sure every week like you've got a you know, you don't have to say it loud

[00:54:04] But if you've got a like a rival

[00:54:06] Right like have that one person that you're like i'm keeping up with this guy at a minimum

[00:54:12] I'm keeping up with this guy and i'm trying to stay one step ahead of this guy every time I play him

[00:54:16] I need to be beating this guy. He like i'm losing the head. I like that actually that sells your bar

[00:54:21] Yeah, so set up our set an identity, you know one that you can easily identify someone that's just like slightly above your level

[00:54:28] And make sure you're keeping up with him and grow to the point where you're consistently beating that person

[00:54:33] And and I play them really good. It's really good advice

[00:54:37] Yeah

[00:54:38] Really like that. That's yeah, that's super

[00:54:41] Well, it gives you your base and it tells you once you start thumping that person. You're like, okay

[00:54:46] Yeah, it's working your next one. Yeah, you're next target, you know, whatever but sets your bar at a person level

[00:54:51] That's a good choice as as a rival. Would you set who do you guys set?

[00:54:54] I'm not saying

[00:55:06] Well, Eddie is Rafa's target. I'll tell you what and that's part of why uh, Rafa is just you know growing so quick

[00:55:12] Is he I mean, he's you know for me. I said it someone near me. He's like

[00:55:17] The stars, you know, he's just I wouldn't say he's that high, but I mean whatever dude

[00:55:23] I love Eddie. What are you talking about? He's in the house. He's listening right now

[00:55:27] Eddie

[00:55:28] Eddie's pretty tall Eddie's pretty tall. He is just tall and you got to look up to him, but uh, no dude

[00:55:34] I love that. That's a good player. Yeah, whatever. Look, um, yeah

[00:55:39] In fact, we really should give Eddie some credit, you know, he's been putting the beat down on us forever

[00:55:44] You know, he's he's very much that standard like, okay, who wants to come out and play, you know

[00:55:48] And just he wants to play five days a week

[00:55:51] All the five days, you are okay. What you're going through that day Eddie's gonna show up to

[00:55:58] Win like he needs the win

[00:56:01] He's gonna get the win as as hard as Eddie's coming out with his game and plays his game every time

[00:56:07] Yeah, and he's coming to thump you every time

[00:56:10] On the other side of the table. Yeah, he doesn't care who's there. No, dude

[00:56:13] And he and he promotes the crap out of your stuff. Yes, he does. Yeah, he does. Yeah, he really really does

[00:56:18] I mean Eddie is Eddie's I will give Eddie such a hard time all the time

[00:56:23] But I truly think he's probably one of the nicest people in foosball

[00:56:27] Oh, dude, because if he lost it nobody could stop him like if he was one of those angry

[00:56:33] Like the bar would just clear out like if he lost control everyone's everyone's running, you know

[00:56:38] Yeah, you got here that dude showed up at my door. He had a full plate of fresh made baklava's wife made for us

[00:56:45] Awesome

[00:56:45] He brought us a cake

[00:56:47] That like had my family pictures on that he found from face from facebook like

[00:56:51] That is not just anybody's doing that, you know what I mean? Like he just showed up at my door with it

[00:56:56] He promotes this one way

[00:56:57] Seriously, like

[00:56:58] Dude like and it was and when you're unpacking and you're tired and you're stressed out like those little things

[00:57:05] Like they need so much and and that's and I think that that personifies Eddie

[00:57:11] Well, one lot well so almost

[00:57:13] For you gotta forget that he works those messages. Oh my god

[00:57:17] Like if you really want to throw a successful event, it's not just posting a flyer and being like hey guys come on out

[00:57:23] No, it's totally doing the one-on-one like reaching out to people every week

[00:57:28] You know even like I mean obviously he does it for all of our events

[00:57:31] So like immediately start texting people and be like I got these teams

[00:57:34] I got these teams I got cool and then even on like the weekly the more

[00:57:39] Time you can give to being like hey new guy who showed up last week. Would you like to come out again?

[00:57:45] You know, we appreciate that's that's something right there. That's that's huge. That's the stuff that really gets people

[00:57:51] Coming back and keeps your attention up and he does yeah stuff

[00:57:54] He works those message boards like crazy. We had a and he knows he knows everybody

[00:57:58] We had a friday night this last weekend. We had

[00:58:01] A guy named Rudy showed up out of blue out of the blue

[00:58:04] And turns out he was a southwest airlines flight attendant

[00:58:08] But he had game and and he just found his accidentally

[00:58:11] And you know everybody treated him, you know as as you know

[00:58:15] Like we were friends, you know, rudy come on back sometime

[00:58:17] He's like hey, you know what I'm what I'm flying through the area and I know about you guys now

[00:58:21] I'll be here for sure

[00:58:22] So, you know, it's all about hey encouraging people to do it

[00:58:25] And of course if they're not part of your group make them part of your group

[00:58:29] You know, it's the best way to go

[00:58:32] Yeah

[00:58:33] The five away just picked up a couple guys

[00:58:36] Nice

[00:58:36] Once once from East Providence and those from Johnston, which is like an hour away

[00:58:40] But the the little thing they had when I was up there. Yeah, dude

[00:58:44] They were they were in the text group last night because I guess only a couple guys showed up

[00:58:48] They were like, you know this dude drove up from Johnston

[00:58:50] Wow anybody gonna come out? I was like big deal. He drove an hour to play foosball

[00:58:55] They're like, yeah, but there's only a couple guys playing I said

[00:58:59] I said you guys have driven longer for worse. Okay. Yeah

[00:59:03] That's funny. You mentioned that text group. That's another important thing

[00:59:06] I would say is having that that sort of, you know, you've got your your profile

[00:59:11] Your whatever your facebook page where you post your weekly stuff

[00:59:14] But having that message board it

[00:59:17] Is really good for keeping sort of that community by the life now there are downsides

[00:59:21] I've seen a lot of pictures of Eddie's feet that I don't really care to see

[00:59:31] He just sent me a picture of himself in a suit. That's it. Yeah, I mean

[00:59:39] Yeah, it's just it's just him in a suit like this just like

[00:59:44] At least it wasn't hit. I mean, I'm probably I don't think I've never received a picture of Eddie in sleeves. So

[00:59:52] I'm like, hey better than a wife beater, you know

[00:59:56] Putting on a wife

[00:59:59] What's wrong with a wife beater guy?

[01:00:03] If you got it flaunted, I guess

[01:00:05] Here's um, jade, I've always wanted to ask you this question because you've done so many great tutorials

[01:00:11] I'm wondering what to you and your estimation is that the most difficult aspect of this game to teach another person

[01:00:18] Throughout through a tutorial video. What's the most toughest thing to teach?

[01:00:24] Well, there's a couple of things in my opinion first and foremost, there's an aspect of this game that

[01:00:31] Is an intangibles. Hmm

[01:00:33] You can't teach intangibles at all right the ability to catch loose balls the

[01:00:39] The ability to kind of spot specific things as they're happening on the table

[01:00:44] Like you can't teach that I can explain ways to try and get better at it

[01:00:48] But I can't teach you those things

[01:00:51] um

[01:00:53] another

[01:00:56] Trying to teach people the concepts of the game that are like no-knows

[01:01:02] Okay, like

[01:01:04] You don't do this because

[01:01:06] Like the second you say that online like I have a video. Why not to shoot a push shot?

[01:01:12] like

[01:01:13] I get that sully is a beast at it. I understand she is the exception to the rule. Okay, like

[01:01:22] Trying to explain people that on the internet

[01:01:26] The the hate that I get in the comments for that video

[01:01:30] I'm the best push shot in the world

[01:01:33] I'm like, yeah, I bet you do. What are you rated again beginner? Yeah, it's amazing. You're right

[01:01:37] It's the best push shot ever like

[01:01:41] come on

[01:01:42] Like it's those things and and trying to get people out of their own way. Yeah

[01:01:47] Like they're like no, no, no. I have 20 passes on my five bar. I'm like what?

[01:01:52] do you

[01:01:53] like

[01:01:55] Let's simplify that. Yeah, exactly like and that's what I always bring it back to like well, what are you rated?

[01:02:01] Right. Oh rookie. Okay. It how old are you then? How long you've been touring 20 years? Yeah

[01:02:06] I'm 74. Yeah, there's a reason that you're still a rookie and you've been touring for 20 years

[01:02:11] Right. Like and that sounds really mean

[01:02:15] But it's true. It's the truth of the game

[01:02:17] Like when I was saying before like simplify your game and and get that foundation

[01:02:22] And like if you're just gonna you don't have the time and you just do these couple things you're going to get better

[01:02:27] These are all people that are like no, I'm going to do it my way

[01:02:31] Like, okay, do it your way. You're never going to get better. Okay

[01:02:35] What I hear you saying is listen

[01:02:37] It's listen, right? And it can be that's the hardest lesson to learn in foosball

[01:02:41] Especially when it comes to you after you've just lost a match like nobody nobody's in the mood to listen much

[01:02:47] but

[01:02:48] I mean, that's what it is. You got to listen to

[01:02:51] What the other players telling you just in their game like you're not, you know physically listen

[01:02:54] But like they're showing you things they're teaching you there's teaching moments happen all the time

[01:02:59] and uh, you know great example Wayne Harrison, right? Like he's like, hey

[01:03:04] After the last time I played him. He's like you gotta like stop coming down on your pass

[01:03:08] It's sticking the ball up and hit your leg not your foot

[01:03:11] You know, I was bouncing the ball up and then I go to play him in the tournament

[01:03:14] And what do I do it's same damn thing and immediately after that just like I told you I thought we we agreed we were gonna work on this

[01:03:21] Yeah, we did that didn't we?

[01:03:22] Yeah, you know

[01:03:23] But yeah, just the ability to listen and to to really take it to heart and actually act on it

[01:03:30] It's so hard to do to change your game

[01:03:33] You know, you get going down a path and you think well, I've done this for so long or how many hours

[01:03:39] You know and to make this little tweak like well in the short term I might lose a match

[01:03:43] You know, I might start losing a couple weeks in a row

[01:03:46] You know, like my game will actually get worse before it gets better and that's just unfathomable to me

[01:03:50] I have to win every single time I play

[01:03:52] But you actually have to commit and just take some L's and take some practices and

[01:03:57] And really, you know work to improve your game

[01:04:00] You know, sometimes you got to get worse before you get better and that's the hard sell one thing I noticed

[01:04:04] Empty your cup. Yeah. Yeah, you know the old Chinese proverb empty your cut

[01:04:07] Sure and be a be an open vessel, you know

[01:04:10] One of the things that I noticed about like like Kenny Dale

[01:04:13] Who's who just went pro master recently after every loss?

[01:04:17] He always pulls the person aside to ask him questions. Yep every single time

[01:04:23] And you know just wanting to know why he lost

[01:04:28] Yeah, he said the first time I ever played him

[01:04:34] First time I ever played him was in singles and that's exactly what he did because I don't I'm sure he never even heard it

[01:04:38] At that time like I was just coming back again

[01:04:41] Um, and he's like what happened, you know, and he was like I'm like, oh, you know

[01:04:45] I did this and this and I kind of noticed this and he's like

[01:04:49] Like he gave me this look like, huh

[01:04:52] How did you know that like, you know

[01:04:55] Yeah

[01:04:56] And then from then on he actually stopped asking

[01:05:00] Okay. All right

[01:05:02] Yeah, Chase is notorious for that right this way of getting you to listen as to cutting the throat

[01:05:09] Oh, well here's actually if you want to know the real reason and then yeah, well, she starts slicing and dicing me

[01:05:15] Sure. Yeah, don't ask questions. You don't want the answer to right. Exactly. Exactly

[01:05:20] Kevin Scousis has a really good way of explaining it and and

[01:05:25] He explained it to me. He explained it to me like this

[01:05:30] 2002 so 22 years ago

[01:05:33] Okay, and I'm gonna tell you it really makes sense and he said think about like a carpenter with the toolbox, right? He said

[01:05:39] um, imagine you're a carpenter and you have

[01:05:42] A tool shop with every tool imaginable brand new shiny

[01:05:46] and and he said but

[01:05:48] You you don't know how to use them, right? You have them. Yeah, yeah

[01:05:51] I tell everybody you're a carpenter, but you know, but you don't so, you know, you have a great wall

[01:05:56] You have a great lane you have a great rollover, but you don't know how to use them, right?

[01:06:00] He said and then you play you play this this other carpenter

[01:06:04] Who's been a carpenter for a long time?

[01:06:06] Maybe he's got an old toolbox, you know with an old saw and a little bit up

[01:06:11] But he can just make you something really pretty

[01:06:15] You know, he said he said it doesn't matter

[01:06:19] You know, what kind of tools you have it's how you use them

[01:06:21] So, you know if if you just got a couple passes that look the same and one shot that works

[01:06:28] A lot of times if you use them better than the guy that can do 20 passes and I can shoot everything

[01:06:35] That just that makes all the difference in the world. So, you know chase is talking about these guys are saying

[01:06:40] I got 20 passes. It's like

[01:06:42] Yeah, great. I mean good great and I bet they all look different do me a favor

[01:06:47] Show me all of them

[01:06:51] And the game's over now

[01:06:55] Great, yeah

[01:06:56] So, you know why why reinvent the wheel? Right like you you're gonna do this and it's gonna be different and it's gonna be

[01:07:03] It's gonna be successful, but

[01:07:05] You know

[01:07:06] The biggest thing I hear from people is oh, I want to be me on the table

[01:07:10] Like you're still gonna be you

[01:07:12] Oh, yeah, the way you do a brush pass or you do a stick series is gonna be different from the way that I

[01:07:18] Do even if I show you the exact same technique

[01:07:21] Like and show you the exact same thing

[01:07:23] You are going to find your twist to it. So don't be like there's there's a local guy

[01:07:29] Oh, I freaking love playing

[01:07:33] He's got you know, he's got a piece of every tool in that toolbox he and every time I tell him

[01:07:38] I'm like do just simplify your game like a little bit and you're gonna kill people

[01:07:43] And he's like, I don't want to lose my originality. I'm like you're not gonna have you don't need to trust me like

[01:07:49] You're gonna club people if you just do these things like you are going to get give me fits like please

[01:07:56] I need this can you do this for me?

[01:07:59] Right

[01:08:01] And that's what I tell guys I said get better you get better. I'll get better, right? So

[01:08:07] Exactly right and again, that's you you guys man. You got it going on for anybody who doesn't know

[01:08:13] Knoxville, Tennessee

[01:08:15] Suttreys Suttreys high gravity bar

[01:08:18] That's the place

[01:08:19] Who say nights make it happen and by the way

[01:08:22] In chasers a master marketer

[01:08:25] For those who don't know about chasing his other life. He's a he's into uh marketing. So if you need help there

[01:08:33] I see covers his eyes, right? Yeah

[01:08:39] Nice. Yeah

[01:08:41] It's um this game is is is is gonna succeed

[01:08:45] There's there's no doubt about it

[01:08:46] Especially because of your guys scene and the scenes that are all across the country now that are really

[01:08:52] Yep, a really good place

[01:08:54] You know, we're excited

[01:08:56] TKO the the the classic that just happens, you know really great turnout. Um, I'm curious um

[01:09:04] First of all chase when's uh, when's your next major? When are you gonna go back out of the road?

[01:09:09] Worlds worlds worlds for sure. Nice very cool

[01:09:13] And

[01:09:18] Thomas how about you what's what's your next what's your next stop?

[01:09:21] You know, I really think I'm gonna try and I've always wanted to I mean

[01:09:25] Like we're very close to Kentucky. It's hard to like not just only go to Kentucky because we have you know

[01:09:31] TKO and whatever in worlds and it's like that's enough. You know almost

[01:09:35] My um, I know it's not enough. I but it's it's just so easy

[01:09:41] Uh, so I think I may actually try and make it to another state tournament. I think I'm probably gonna try and go to uh, Illinois state

[01:09:47] Nice

[01:09:47] And that's really just because the flight the flight is so easy

[01:09:51] And they've got it set up right there and it's you know, it's a state tournament

[01:09:54] And we're trying to win we're trying to win rookie dubs at worlds

[01:09:57] So I think we may actually go up there and if we can win that then we're like, okay

[01:10:00] Then we can you know have a good shot. So

[01:10:03] That'll be probably the next state tournament and then obviously worlds. Yeah, definitely go to awesome

[01:10:07] Well, we'll have to get together there no doubt because because I know randy is going to be there right randy

[01:10:14] Uh

[01:10:16] That's the plan

[01:10:20] Open doubles chase

[01:10:23] Yeah, we're just now talking about that. Okay done

[01:10:27] So that'll be fun. I I I think it's gonna be a good time. I think we're out last

[01:10:32] Yeah more than anything else. It'll be fun. So

[01:10:36] I'm I'm feeling I'm feeling pretty good right now. I'm you know, I like I think I'm I'm playing okay

[01:10:41] I'm touching the table as much as I can

[01:10:45] Nationals is coming up soon

[01:10:47] So I'm looking forward to that and then I'm just trying to squeeze in as much as well as I can actually

[01:10:52] Next saturday this upcoming saturday. They got a three grander guarantee three grander in georgia at stringfellows plays

[01:10:59] Cool. So that that's gonna be good

[01:11:02] I'm playing with chris chris fulsome at that one and my buddy mickey done we're playing a limited

[01:11:06] So they're gonna have a limited 11 open doubles a three and then a draw at seven and again everything's guaranteed money

[01:11:14] Go to georgia foosball. Check out the the flyer. It'll be good. So

[01:11:18] um

[01:11:19] But yeah, man, I'm

[01:11:21] I'm looking forward to this year a lot of good foosball actually talk to mary the other day

[01:11:26] Yeah, she's she's got a bunch lined up. So nice

[01:11:30] Minnesota, so man seems like there's a lot more little locals popping up. Yep. Yeah

[01:11:35] That would be the point I would think is that we started to see a few more clubs

[01:11:38] Coming about, you know, I feel like people are feeling more confident and kind of seating their own clubs

[01:11:42] Oh no, Tom. Yep. Yeah there and uh, even just the hosting of more of the smaller regional events

[01:11:50] Like you've I've seen a number up in wisconsin. They just did a great one

[01:11:54] um

[01:11:55] Yeah, so I I think

[01:11:57] All those building blocks are just you know, we're just getting we're getting somewhere stalls

[01:12:03] stalls making progress on the foosball clubs usa

[01:12:05] Oh, yeah, I just feel like we were we were at a real latency just for a long time in the doldrums and now

[01:12:12] I see some light. I can you know, I can feel it. I mean definitely feel it

[01:12:17] Next weekend is minnesota state

[01:12:19] Which I believe is the first time in a long time for minnesota state

[01:12:22] Those guys have really decided okay. We're back in it and they get the player base

[01:12:28] It's amazing at these states that are like, I mean you look at like the dakotas guys did something

[01:12:33] These places where I'm like foosball can't exist in these like rural states, you know, but they do

[01:12:38] And they're doing a good job. Oh, yeah, very impressed. Yeah, we gotta put together a state tournament tennessee

[01:12:44] It's so I was gonna say when when is that gonna happen?

[01:12:46] So they had one they had one. I think it was 2015 in memphis 15 or 16

[01:12:52] Oh, that's crazy. It was in memphis. They had one in memphis

[01:12:55] Yeah, yeah, we were on the other side of the state. Yeah, that's the only one they've they've had that

[01:13:00] I know of since I've been in the south

[01:13:02] So it's gotta be in noxville as well. I'm telling we've got we've got a lot of clubs happening

[01:13:07] Moving around. I mean tennessee baseball is really really shining right now. We've got a great new scene popping up in nashville

[01:13:13] They're doing

[01:13:14] National city's doing stuff

[01:13:16] Bristol's now going to be doing stuff we're doing the monthly and then obviously we're doing our thing

[01:13:21] Well, we're doing a monthly event now as well here in noxville. So every once a month

[01:13:26] We're gonna be doing like a little something. Yeah. Yeah for every player level. Yeah, it's not just gonna be like a break

[01:13:32] It'll be like a rookie double. So we're an amateur or a no pro or a something. Yeah

[01:13:37] So this way it makes this a dog tournament here. There's just so much room for a new state tournament to hang out

[01:13:42] We just that that whole I mean, I would love to listen to a whole podcast just on how you make state tournaments happen

[01:13:48] Like the ifp okay like the nuts and bolts. Let me get my pan out of money come from how much money does it take?

[01:13:53] I gotta take me take notes

[01:13:56] All those sorts of things because we got it

[01:13:58] That's not easy to do get in touch with mary about maybe putting one together for next year, but yeah

[01:14:03] So

[01:14:04] That sounds like that's the easy option, but that's it's not that

[01:14:07] It's not that easy never see it simple. It doesn't it doesn't seem that easy

[01:14:12] It's a it's a venue and and of course then it's tables

[01:14:16] Right venue tables and of course a place where people can get too easily

[01:14:20] Yeah, you know yeah, and then you can have that whole debate on software. Obviously, that's like that's raging

[01:14:26] Right. I feel like yeah

[01:14:28] There is um, and it seems like you know this last tournament with with hall of fame classic

[01:14:32] They were making use of uh modern foosball for their play by play

[01:14:37] Yeah for their for their streaming. That was some of the best coverage. It was some of the best streaming

[01:14:41] I don't know what I don't I missed the whole controversy that happened and like the well

[01:14:45] What are these commentators doing? Well, that but just like

[01:14:48] I mean wait what happened?

[01:14:50] well

[01:14:52] So there was a there was a couple of comments about now and

[01:14:55] Let me tell you something, you know adam and clay who are doing the commentating

[01:15:00] Those guys are like brothers. They're great

[01:15:01] You know, they're awesome people and they did what they do and they're they're hilarious at times

[01:15:06] But there were a couple people that just had to hate on it

[01:15:09] You know, they they did a little bit of you know, uh busting on them

[01:15:12] But hey, you know, it was it was it was very enjoyable very easy to watch

[01:15:17] So, you know, we'll go there

[01:15:20] Here's my question. Was it free for everyone? Yes

[01:15:24] Oh weird. It was free

[01:15:27] Hey, no, no, no, but wait, what did I say at the beginning of the show?

[01:15:30] Whose players are gonna complain?

[01:15:32] No matter what

[01:15:35] Yeah, wait, it's free. Hold on. Wait, it's free. What but why aren't we watching two tables?

[01:15:40] Right. Yeah, three wives and I know they're gonna

[01:15:42] I know they're gonna edit the videos and put them on youtube, which is great fine, right? Like

[01:15:47] It's great for foosball. Yeah, man. Look, I I thought they did a nice job

[01:15:52] Especially with that that mohawk thing. They were you know, the the thing they got going over the table

[01:15:56] The bridge that goes across the top. Yeah. Yeah, the five-bar cam all the different angles

[01:16:02] I mean, look, look if foosball players want to if they want to come out of pocket

[01:16:07] And buy their own and do their own thing. That's what I tell everybody man

[01:16:10] You got no skin in the game. You can't complain. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, we're we're uh, we're all trying hard

[01:16:17] Yeah, I mean everybody everybody who loves this game and has anything to do with you know streaming or media

[01:16:23] Whatever the case there everybody's on the same side man. We're we have the same intention

[01:16:27] We want to make it better

[01:16:29] You know, yeah, and it's not always going to work perfectly. So get over it

[01:16:33] You know, well, that's the thing that a lot of people I don't think understand

[01:16:36] The cameras to like do the videos that even I do they're not cheap, right? Like

[01:16:42] I actually brought up earlier my editing laptop is right here

[01:16:45] The reason that I haven't been putting out videos is because that thing crashed

[01:16:49] Like it won't even turn on anymore

[01:16:51] I finally got a video put out because I had to go digging into my attic to find an old mac just to spend an extra

[01:16:57] Like two hours editing just to try and get a video out right like, you know these mics

[01:17:02] We have microphones cameras like all this stuff

[01:17:06] iPods

[01:17:07] Like all these things that come into play. They're very expensive. Oh god. Yeah not not just buying them

[01:17:14] But then understanding how to use the darn things. Yeah, like it's not all just plug-and-play like all the computer

[01:17:20] Just does it for you. No, it doesn't

[01:17:23] Like it's a lot of work like it is a ton of work for one video that I put out that's like 10 or 15 minutes

[01:17:31] Six to eight hours goes into that thing right easy, right? Right and that's time is money. Yeah. Yeah, and it's not like I'm making money off of foosball videos

[01:17:41] Some point, you don't get some point. You don't just you don't have the app. You don't have the app

[01:17:57] Do the thing hey chase chase myself

[01:18:00] Chase makes a great point. Uh, this doesn't happen by itself, right? It's like, you know, it's there

[01:18:05] There's a learning curve. I mean just tonight

[01:18:08] But we were having a bit of issue with our our audio in the beginning, you know, it's a learning curve

[01:18:12] We we straighten things out when we can hopefully we can

[01:18:16] Um, but you know each time we try to make a little better

[01:18:19] We won't like playing like playing a good match. We learn along the way

[01:18:23] We make a couple of mistakes we get scored on

[01:18:26] Then we come back and don't let that happen again

[01:18:29] Now I know we're trying to wrap up, but I shout out to you guys. Yeah. Hey, well, thanks

[01:18:33] You know, we're on the topic here. You guys do a phenomenal job. This is so cool

[01:18:37] Actually, like this is one of those like, you know little gold stars at the top of the list here of like things going well in foosball

[01:18:44] This is just a neat neat asset to have I really appreciate you. Tom does everything. I just talk

[01:18:49] I know

[01:18:52] Things

[01:18:54] Doing it right it's the commitment of taking the time and doing it and saying I'm gonna do this every week and notching out that time

[01:19:00] And saying I'm definitely doing this every week. Right like

[01:19:04] That is a thing. No, my wife is gonna punch Tom in the face

[01:19:10] I've got a few a few wives lined up to to uh, give me a hard time, but it's okay

[01:19:14] I'm willing to take it. It's all right. I can I can handle it. No, I promise

[01:19:19] She knows I enjoy it. So she doesn't mind at all. Now there's now there's a good wife. There's there's something somebody you gotta keep

[01:19:26] Yeah, for sure. I can't complain. Yeah, no, it's it's you know what for me

[01:19:29] It's it's like this is my outlet and if and if I if I'm getting close to the to the time and then things are not working

[01:19:35] Right, I start to I get a little anxious, you know, a little little object going on, but uh, it's all worth it

[01:19:42] You know

[01:19:43] We'll we'll keep on keeping on

[01:19:45] I've said me I enjoy it. Hey, listen, this was fun. I'm glad you're mad. Yeah, man. It's a blast. I had a great time

[01:19:51] Yeah, you guys are scheduled you guys are awesome. We didn't even discuss what we were gonna talk about. We just no

[01:19:56] We we talked about exactly what we were supposed to talk

[01:20:01] Somebody needed to hear this message. That's right. So okay

[01:20:05] The pro road to pro go check it out on youtube road to pro do it up

[01:20:10] So foosball and it's uh, yeah and turn to your local pro also

[01:20:15] If you got somebody in your dyp your local that that you could learn more from now, you know what to ask

[01:20:21] Yeah, you know now, you know what's asking. I think this deserves a part two. What do you guys say?

[01:20:27] Yeah, yeah, cool. Yeah, why not awesome. Let's do that

[01:20:31] Um, but anyway guys, it's been an absolute blast. Uh, let's do it again real soon

[01:20:36] Fooze talk live again

[01:20:38] 205 we'll we'll do it again next week provided randy's not well. Well anyway

[01:20:47] I'll be here. Yeah lord willing

[01:20:53] All right, but uh, yeah, so so we will be back again next weekend

[01:20:56] Of course, we we always end with the same idea that uh foosball is worth it

[01:21:02] And we we we love the fact that there there are people that are in this this uh, this the sport

[01:21:07] Like chase and of course thomas. So thanks guys. All right. Thanks guys

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