FoosTalk Live | Ep 255 | Ryan Moore

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[00:01:52] Visit www.original-leonhardt-usa.com and use promo code Foos Talk to save 10% off your purchase price. Welcome once again. Episode number 255. Hey there, I'm Tom Robinson. We're back after a big long weekend in Dallas, Texas. There was a lot going on at the ITSF World Series and Gold Series. A lot going on. A lot to talk about there.

[00:02:18] But Randy Raposo is out once again this week and having some time off for a vacation. So we wish him well on that. Returning for tonight, however, is the Modern Foos play-by-play team of Toomey and Gilson. Now moonlighting as a law firm for injured Foosers. But they have joined us once again for Foos Talk Live. Welcome, Adam, and welcome, Clay. What's up, dudes? Howdy. Hey, man. Howdy.

[00:02:46] You know, I was actually on a paralegal for a law firm. You were a paralegal? Yeah, lay back and whack it. Does that mean you went skydiving out of a law book? I just saw the glove go on. Yeah, I won't ask. Not going to ask about that. So you guys have had a couple of weeks off. What have you been up to? What's going on? Where's the other glove?

[00:03:14] I have recently come out of a very deep depression that I've been in, no joke, for about a month or so. So, you know. Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. Well, you know, it's one of those things. I knew it was going to happen. It was related to whatever was going on with my work and stuff like that. But the key is identifying it, working through it, and giving yourself little victories every day until it kind of moves on. So, yeah. Yeah. No, I'm doing much better now. So, yeah. I got you. Thanks for bringing it up. Clay, how about yourself? Still there.

[00:03:44] Still sucks. Well, it's Mr. Bratside over here coming out of his funk. Always good to know. I'm doing the backstroke in mine. Shit. Always good to know. But, Clay, you were busy last weekend anyway. You were at the ITSF World Series. How did that go, by the way? I forfeited more matches than I lost, and I won more matches than I forfeited. So, I'll take it.

[00:04:14] Ooh. A little, yeah. Was that like a direct strategy to forfeit? Is that what was going on there? Yes. Yeah. I don't like giving people the pleasure of beating me. I just forfeit. Uh-huh. Including myself. No, I actually don't know if any of that's true, but it sounded good in my head. And then I said it, and it stopped sounding good. But do you do that? We got an intruder. Yeah. No, it looks like our guest at the evening. Don't hurt me! Hey! Ryan Moore is making his appearance. Ryan, can you hear us?

[00:04:44] There it is. Oh, there we are. Oh, with the World Foosball Tour backdrop, no less. That's how you did this. It really messed a lot of things up. Sorry. I think, here we go. I think we're good now. Okay, great. Cool. Okay, let's go ahead and start. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're good. Let's start. From the top. From the top, guys. It's been a very good day. Okay, from the top. It is Foos Talk Live, episode number 255. I'm Tom. And man, it's great to have you all back.

[00:05:10] We have Clay Toomey and Adam Gilson joining us tonight for Modern Foos and our guest of honor. Coming back, what is this, like the 10th time now? Ryan Moore is back with us to share his insight as to what it's like to have the golden ticket. I want to hear more about that. What is the golden ticket? The golden ticket was that last weekend, wasn't it, at the World Series? You didn't think he came on here to talk about the ITSF, did you?

[00:05:38] Well, I mean, I just want to know what it looks like, the golden ticket. It might look like a metal finger. You get no golden ticket. You get a... Okay, so that's what you're talking about, golden ticket. I get free entry fees to all of the ITSF World Series that I won't be going to. Oh, gotcha. Next year? Yeah. For 2026. Yeah, I'm not sure. Hold on. We're still doing something here. No, you're good. I know. No, we're not good.

[00:06:08] You're kind of just all up in my business, girl. We got you covered on this end. And now I can't even hear Tom. This is going really good, babe. I fucking love this mic so much. Every time we go for this mic, it screws everything up. It's a... Not everything. Everything. Well, hey. All right. Now, Tom, I can barely hear you. Clay, I can hear you great now. Okay. How about now? Can you hear me now? Can you hear me now?

[00:06:38] Can you hear me now? You're going to say pass, but I can't hear anything else. Would you like to buy a Verizon phone? Can you hear me now? Okay. I can barely hear you, but I guess we're good. Right-click on his name and hit that slider. I'll see you later, all right? Thank you. Grandpa. Doesn't this door lock? Now you're trying to lock the door? Okay. All right. All right. Anyways. Oh, golden tickets. Yeah, no. I mean, that's good for people that actually play ITSF events. I play one a year. Right.

[00:07:09] And, yeah. Well, you got out to play. I mean, you've been so busy with the World Foosball Tour. You finally got a chance to stand on the other side of the table. And you made it to the finals against Tony. Wow. That was pretty amazing there. How did that go, by the way? Yeah, no. It was good. I just wanted to. I haven't played in a while, so obviously I was a little bit more motivated just off of not playing that much.

[00:07:37] I mean, I played doubles at some of the smaller events, but I haven't played singles in a little bit. But, yeah, it was good. I don't know. I didn't do anything special. Didn't really practice at all before the trip. And, you know, I was actually trying to qualify to play him in the quarterfinals because I was like, if I would have qualified one spot earlier, I would have played him in the quarterfinals.

[00:08:06] And that's what I wanted because I wanted to match up against him early in the bracket. And we had a chance. Brandon Moreland got 15th. So, how does this work? I don't know. I think I qualified number one. He qualified number two. I had to qualify number two to be able to play him in the quarterfinals. And Brandon was like, hey, if you just take a couple points off your last match, you can qualify number two. You can play Tommy Yor at 33rd.

[00:08:32] And then you can play Tony at quarterfinals. And I was like, yeah, I don't want to play Tommy Yor. I wanted to play Tony. So, yeah, I'll stay right where I'm at. You can deal with that freaking bracket, all right? But, yeah, we could have easily manipulated the whole system if we really wanted to because of how that system works to change the entire outcome of the entire tournament, shall we have wanted to. Brandon was talking about doing it with a few other people. And ultimately, nobody decided to actually do it.

[00:09:01] But, you know, if, say, me and Moreland had better matchups against other people, we can just switch the whole bracket up, shall we want to? That's how that format works. Interesting. Hmm. Yeah, that's, I'm still trying to figure out some of the rankings, but, you know, I guess this point is irrelevant. Well, so, you know, one of the things that I said in my last, when I was talking about formats

[00:09:27] is I said the seeds don't matter in the Swiss system. However, the prior year, they didn't auto-qualify people. This year, they did auto-qualify people. So the seeds did matter. Okay. They mattered in the sense that the top 14 players and singles were seeded, and then anybody after the top 14 seeds had to qualify. I.e., I wasn't in the top 14 seeds because it's ITSF points, and here in America, that points race doesn't matter. It's not a points system, it's a points race.

[00:09:57] Okay. So it did matter. So that was a good thing. However, none of those people got to practice as my only pushback on that. So somebody like me, I got four matches to really tune my singles game in, whereas Tony and Tommy, they had to come out in the eliminations. That's their first match. Oh. So I don't necessarily like that either. You know? So, you know, that's going to be an opinionated kind of situation. Some masters may like to auto-qualify.

[00:10:26] Some, like me, actually would like to get the warm-ups before we start eliminating. So, you know, pick your poison. Yeah. No doubt. Well, I know that... That's Tylenol, according to Netflix. Oh, I'm sorry. What was that again about Netflix? Tylenol. Yeah. They have a documentary about the Tylenol murders. Oh. You know about this? Very topical. It's from 43 years ago. I see. That was back in the 80s, right? That's why they have the child...

[00:10:56] What are those? I guess we should be streaming then. Forefathers? Yeah. No, the stuff on top of the thing that's on top of the cover. It's the protective seal. The tamper-proof seal. That's what I'm thinking about. Yes, protective seal. Child-proof is what you're looking for. Okay. Tamper. Tamper-proof. You can tamper. Anybody can tamper. Whatever. So, anyway. Anybody can tamper. This is...

[00:11:22] This, to me, anyway, I think that the rest of this summer is going to be pretty amazing. So, we've got nationals coming up. So, Ryan, what's on the plate here? What's going on? Yeah, we got... Actually, this weekend, we got Illinois State happening. And then, I think it's a... Really, we're talking about a month and a week before nationals. Mm-hmm. Just did a text blast to everybody. I'm sure you guys may have already gotten that. Or if not, it takes it a while to come in sometimes for...

[00:11:52] Depending on what your area code is. But, yeah, no. We just got that out. So, that's already looking pretty good. We sold out on a Thursday, which was not typical of us. But that was also due to a few things, you know, with the way they inputted stuff. But, anyways, there was a lot more interest coming in on the Thursday night. And so, we had to ramp that up. But, yeah. No, I mean, we're looking good.

[00:12:15] So, typically on the World Cup years, like, anytime there's a World Cup in Spain, it hurts all of America's tour slightly. I mean, sometimes significantly. So, like, this nationals is butted up right to the World Cup. And we have 105 people or something going over there for that. So, naturally, most of those people can't hit two tournaments within two weeks, right?

[00:12:40] The World Cup hurts actually all tournaments in America because it costs people two weeks' worth of vacation time. And it costs them, you know, three to four grand to go there. That is the equivalent of three foosball tournaments in America. Yeah. So, we do see players having to pick and choose, right? I mean, not everybody can play foosball every single day of their life. This is kind of standard.

[00:13:06] But what we're seeing is I think the hype behind, you know, the evolution of foosball is real. Vegas, we had a bigger turnout than Worlds last year. That was 483 players. And that was active playing players. There was probably 550, 600 actual players there. I mean, there was, like, 15, 20 players there the last two days that wanted to play one event. And they were like, can we get the free membership? And I'm like, no. It's rules are rules.

[00:13:37] So, and then when you had spectators, family, friends, I mean, hell, that was every bit of 700 people that was walking in and out of there throughout the weekend, you know. So, that was a really good turnout. I was really concerned about Vegas covering. And it did. It covered, obviously. Nationals, you know, we got already a pretty decent turnout. It's looking like through room cells this early on. We're doing well.

[00:14:06] We're on track, if not more, to beat last year's Nationals. And that's all we have to do. The way that I do these, I structure these payouts on these tournament events is we just have to match last year in order for it to cover. Okay. So, that's kind of the way it works is we just, we got to get, I think, 300 people at Nationals in order for it to cover. So, we'll get that. And, yeah, no, it's exciting.

[00:14:32] And then we got some, obviously, a lot of new, exciting stuff. God, I wish we should have had some news out before this that would have been a great topic to talk about. But we got enough to talk about. We got enough to talk about on here. But this week's going to be a hell of a week for the foosball world when we're releasing a lot of stuff. I'll stop monologuing there for a second. Are we going to see, like, stages of releases when it comes to your news? Or are we going to get it all in one shot?

[00:15:02] I mean, all in one shot. What? Oh, see, I literally just got my text. And I sent this text out over an hour ago. But I literally just got it. So, it takes sometimes. People are like, why do you send it so late? Sometimes, depending on how big it is, it just takes a couple hours. 4,600 people we send text to. Whoa. So, we got a couple hours that it takes to send that out. What are you laughing so hard about?

[00:15:32] Clay is just Clay. Clay's having his. Well, I mean, are you going to give us. We got crumbs here. Are you going to give us, like, the gingerbread house or what? What's going on? It's really cool. Yeah? I know about. I'm listening to this. I've heard about Lucky Doubles. Lucky Doubles is something that I think sounds really, really. I mean, we already know that. That's not news. What's the news? That was my unanimously sponsor. Didn't you hear me? Unanimously. Hey. I wasn't going to say that. I just said the word. I'm on the freaking fly, okay?

[00:16:02] It's a one-shot take video. We're not. I'm no longer doing the 50-shot takes that I did with my mom's turnover with Clay. All right? It's a one-shot done. I was like, all right, afterwards I saw that. I was like, screw it. Whatever. You know, wise man. Back to you, Tom. You got out of there quick. I respect it. A wise man once said, you only get one shot. Do not miss your chance to blow.

[00:16:32] Damn. Whoa. I like it. Okay. I just want to know the news. What's the news? Yeah. I mean, you know, we got a couple things for Nationals. It's going to be super cool. Lucky Doubles is actually a really interesting take, and it came from an anonymous sponsor that wanted to see how that affects the vibe, attendance, playability of the event that anybody in the room can now win major cash.

[00:17:00] So, you know, one team from every single Doubles event will randomly be drawn to come into Lucky Doubles. And that's for every event except for the open DYPs. So, women's amateur Doubles, you now have a shot at $2,000. Women's expert Doubles, you now have a shot at $2,000. Beginner Doubles, Junior Doubles, Rookie Doubles, all these events, you now have a shot at $2,000.

[00:17:25] And it's a single elimination, one game, handicap format Doubles event. So, literally, rookies will play to whatever it is, I think, five, and Masters play to nine. Beginner's played to four, Masters played to nine. And it's one game. It's one game. So, that's why we call it Lucky Doubles. It's all about the luck. You know, you got to be luckily drawn. You got to play good. You still have to play good foosball, but you get the handicap. So, it's made to give anyone a shot to win.

[00:17:56] So, we think there'll be quite a bit of excitement behind that. And I thought it was really cool for this person to pony up five grand to make this happen. Because it'll be really interesting feedback to see how excited does that make people. You know what I mean? We're going to see juniors in an event for $2,000. They got to win four matches, right? 16 to eight, eight to four, four to two, five. 16 to eight, eight, four, four, two, two, one. Four matches. Yeah, four matches. You win four matches, you get $2,000. So, you win one match, you win $250.

[00:18:26] You win two, you get $500. You win three, you get $1,000. And if you win four matches, you get $2,000 as a team. Wow. Yeah. So, that'll be really cool just to see unfold. I think it's a super fun event. Yeah, that sounds awesome. And it's heavily skewed towards the lower ranks. Because there's so many events. Like, a beginner can play every doubles rank and have beginner, rookie, amateur, expert, pro.

[00:18:54] You know, six chances to get into it, whereas a master only gets one. Well, two, because the open mix counts, too. Mm. Got it. And you can only win one seed. So, it's drawn randomly from each event, the player? Of that rank type. Yeah, doubles players. Gotcha, gotcha. Okay. So, 32 people will be in this event. And we get roughly 300, 350 at these events. So, about 10% of the field is going to win a seed. Not bad odds. Not bad at all. Yeah, it's pretty good. Yeah. Wow.

[00:19:24] Very cool. And what day is that going to be held? Is it going to take place all in the same day? Or would that be over a day or two? Sunday. We have to do Sunday. Got it. Yeah, yeah. So, and the finals of it will be done right after the open singles, open doubles final. So, those are going to be on Sunday? Open doubles, open doubles final. Oh, nice. Yeah, yeah. So, singles are going to be Saturday and doubles are going to be Sunday? Yeah. Because of the flight format, which I know we'll talk about. Sweet.

[00:19:54] Yeah. Yeah, it's going to be, singles is now Saturday at 4 p.m. And doubles is Sunday at 8 p.m. Cool. Yeah, looks good. You know, as far as the broadcast is concerned, the stream, Modern Foods will be there. And that'll be an interesting weekend, as it is always. But it'll be interesting in the sense of this new schedule.

[00:20:20] And how will this new idea, your change when it comes to the flights, how is that going to change when it comes to coverage? Oh, it's going to be amazing. The thing is, you know, I could probably, can I do screen share on here? Yeah, sure. Absolutely. Okay, I'll do it here in a second. First, I want to give you kind of the nuance of it, and then I'll show you actually how I map this thing out.

[00:20:50] Okay. But the thing is, is like, what's so cool about it is if it works, which I'm so confident in it, that's obviously why I pulled the trigger on it. If it works, everything is timed and scheduled. And there's only going to be a few conflicts and a few situations when things may get pushed back. But when it comes to coverage, we could damn near tell Modern, this final is going to be at this time. This final is going to be at this time.

[00:21:19] This final is going to be at this time. And we can schedule it in a row so he can literally put out there rookie doubles finals at this time. This one finals. I mean, it could get to that point. Now, Nationals is a pilot program, right? But we're going to get good at this. Well, if it works and if the players decide it's good, this can truly be revolutionary for the entire experience of everybody, not just the players at the tournament, the spectators,

[00:21:47] the production, how we produce, how we trap viral content. Like, this is like a game changer in so many different levels if it goes as expected. And it really does. It is. It's cool. You know, I don't want to hype myself up, but it is really cool because it pulls every single good thing out of every single format and puts it together. Hmm.

[00:22:14] It is the most hybrid format that I've ever even heard of. I've never heard of this format. I created it because, you know, it brings what everybody wants, what everybody likes out of each of the formats. It brings them all together. So, it'll be a very interesting take to how the tournament is played. I mean, you can now craft the exact tournament that you want to play. You could say, I'm going to play this in the morning. I'm going to play this in the evening.

[00:22:44] Or I'm going to play everything, which is fine. You can do that. You can play everything except for what we limit you on. I'm going to go eat a steak tonight. So, I need to win in Flight A. So, I can't, you know, I'm going to play extra hard in Flight A so I don't have to play Flight B and I can go have a steak with my wife. Tomorrow morning, I don't really want to play so I'll just play Flight B instead of Flight A. I'm probably going to get drunk. Screw it. I'll pass Flight A. I'll play Flight B. I don't get in until later. So, instead of just missing the event, now I can play Flight B and still have a chance.

[00:23:14] I mean, there's just so many different facets. And the whole reason why I went with this or wanted to try this format was, as a promoter, I see that I have roughly 10 different expectations coming from 10 different people for a tournament. And the standard rule has always been, you can't please everybody. Right. And I said, well, if I always think that way, then I won't be able to please everybody. But what if there is a way to please everybody?

[00:23:44] What if there is a way to truly make everyone happy? And there has to be a way, right? If you just keep thinking, keep thinking, and keep evolving, everything gets better, right? That's just the way, that's evolution. So, that was the whole theory behind this format was like, this truly has a chance to make every single person happy. Mm-hmm. Challenge accepted. Rank? Yeah, yeah.

[00:24:08] Every single rank, every single gender, every single age plays every single day. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I like that. Which has not historically been able to be done. And as far as from the streaming component of it, and just thinking as a fan at home watching because I couldn't be there, knowing when things are going to be happening and being able to tune in. I mean, for God's sake, could you imagine if like Major League Baseball said, hey, yeah, the World Series game two is going to be sometime between like noon and midnight. Right. Right. Yeah.

[00:24:39] Not that's not an idea. Even though it hasn't maybe been the most popular thing across all foosball players, having time finals is the most important thing that people don't understand why. You know, a lot of people live in like a box, and this box doesn't allow them to see what's on the outside. They only see what they want and what they see. And the thing is, is this time finals is and has been the catalyst to make foosball go forward.

[00:25:09] Yeah. You guys may have not seen it yet, but it is big. Anybody and everybody that wants to be a part of something, they want to be a part of something big, and they want to be a part of something grand and awesome and cool. And you can't do that unless you have all hands on deck, everybody's ready, you know, streaming team's ready, the media team's ready, the production team's ready. You can't just be like, all right, guys, we're going to be ready in 30 minutes. No, no, no. This shit takes hours to plan.

[00:25:38] And so a time finals is huge for any kind of sponsorship or any kind of even media or any kind of outside sources that want to come in because you know exactly when those finals are going to be. And you can make a production experience worthy of sponsorship. So we're excited to be able to try the flight format, which still gives us these times finals, but at the same time can tell people exactly when they're going to be playing. And so what does that translate?

[00:26:06] How does that translate, though, for the player experience? Say you're an expert and you're at your tournament that weekend. Yeah, you know exactly when you're going to play. Okay, so you look at the flight format flyer or the schedule and it has flight A or this event, this event, this event. You know exactly when they start. And, you know, you're only playing three rounds. If you win three rounds, you have qualified.

[00:26:32] So this is a general – I know a lot of people on here probably already understand the format, but I'll kind of give you a general overview of it. Sure. Okay. You buy into flight A. Okay. Everybody buys into flight A. The entry fees are roughly half of what they were before. Okay. So if it was $30 entry fee, now it's only $15, roughly. And if you win three matches in a row, you qualify for the final elimination bracket.

[00:26:55] If you lose your first match, your second match, or your third match, you lose flight A and you do not qualify for the elimination bracket. Now you have an option to buy back into flight B or just another flight, flight B. So you win three matches in a row on that. You qualify for the elimination bracket. If you lose one match, two matches, if you lose your second or your third match, you are out of that event and you are not in the final elimination bracket and you cannot win that event.

[00:27:25] You have lost twice. You are out. I.e., double elimination. The people that win in flight A can't play flight B. If you don't play flight A, you can play flight B, but you have to pay double entry. Therefore, there's no incentive to only play flight B. You pay double the amount, you get half the chances of winning. Right. Okay. So flight A is seeded, but your seed matters. Flight B is seeded, so your seed matters.

[00:27:55] And the final elimination is seeded, standard, so your seed matters. So no matter if you qualify through A or B, if you were the number one seed, you're still the number one seed in the elimination. Now, as we get more advanced softwares, we can give the advantage to the people in flight A to get higher seeding than flight B. Because they won a harder bracket, but we can't currently do that with our software. So we're working with what we got. But that could be a cool advancement as we move forward.

[00:28:22] So with that, you have to win three matches. So depending on the field size will depend on how many people qualify in each round. So the final elimination bracket will be up to 64 players. We won't see a higher than 64-player elimination bracket. And during the eliminations, a single elimination out to a victor. So with this format, roughly just under 90% of the players will lose twice before they're out.

[00:28:51] 10% of the players will only lose once and they'll be out. However, they paid half the entry fee. Unless they only played B. Right. Okay. So that's their incentive. It's like, yeah, I lost one and I'm out, but I only paid half the amount to get in. That's kind of the theory. It's the, you know, you lost 15 bucks. You know what I mean? So with this format, we can time exactly when A is, when B is, and when the elimination is.

[00:29:18] To qualify to play in B, you have to lose A, right? You can't just buy into B. You can buy into just B. Double the buy. But you have to pay double entry fee. Gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah. Which makes sense. So if it's 15 for flight A, it's 15 for flight B. If you only buy into flight B, it's 30. Right. There's no incentive to buy into flight B. Yeah. It's, this, this to me, of course, being a grand experiment, this is a, this is a great opportunity

[00:29:47] to really prove how it works. And then, of course, then you'll get the feedback from the players as to how they feel. So once, once all is said and done. And man, I, I wish you the best of luck, man, because you got to take chances. You got to do this. Yeah. There's a, there's a zero path forward with double elimination that will allow a seamless tournament. Uh, it is, it is virtually impossible. The only way that we can make it perfect is by limiting what people can play. Right.

[00:30:16] And as I mentioned in my long 15 minute thing, when you limit what people can play, you limit the money in, or you have to increase entry fees to keep the same amount of money that comes in from a tournament. Therefore, you end up losing money to go out. The simple math problem. Yeah. It makes money in equals less money out. This is, uh, this is the way things move forward. Uh, and, and if you don't do the, don't try these things, then you'd never know.

[00:30:43] Um, I'm, I'm compelled by the fact that, that, uh, you know, ITSF has their own format. Uh, WFP, obviously world foosball tour. Sorry. Is, um, is certainly going to have its own format as soon as you settle on, on a particular way to go forward. And once we see nationals, will you have a pretty solid idea as to which way you want to go? Well, that's the, that's the beauty of it is I didn't want to enforce anything onto people. Um, you know, I really want, this is the players tour.

[00:31:12] We're a players first organization. So, uh, if the players just say, Ryan, we don't like your idea. It sucks. Then it is what it is. I'll, I'll demolish it. Okay. And I'll make double elimination the best I can. You know, I, I've, I've seen the way things move forward with the ITSF where they just push things to the players and the players will revolt every time. And I understand I revolt too. I'm a player. So I want this to be something that the players agree with.

[00:31:40] And I think the whole thing is that it has to be better for the players or it doesn't make sense anyways. Um, so it starts becoming a juggle of your expectations for the tournament. When you go there versus you being married to a format that's been a dinosaur for 40 years, right? He's so one sided, but it's a 40 year old format. It's not because it's tried, true and proven because it's what the players have always had. It's not tried, true and proven.

[00:32:09] It's actually, um, it's a very terrible format. It's a terrible format overall, in my opinion, for being able to structure an event. Yeah. So, you know, you know, a lot of people will disagree and that's perfectly fine, man. These are just opinions. Right. So, well, I mean, let's, let's, let's put, you put, put the cards on the table. I mean, we think about double elimination and playing at three o'clock in the morning for the, uh, the semi-finals of experts. I mean, come on, that's just, just, just ridiculous.

[00:32:35] And, and it's been going on for, what format, no, what we're doing with this flight format is like with the Texas event, that event ran very well as far as timing goes. Okay. That event lost their ass. I can tell you this right now. They lost their ass and they did a great job. I, I, I mean, I commend them. I thought it was a very well ran tournament. They did a great job on a lot of things. It looked, you know, the finals area looked good. The stream looked good.

[00:33:02] Uh, you know, Murray obviously is always a great host. Um, you know, I thought that they did a great job. The party afterwards was great. Great job. They lost their ass. And the reality is that I won't get behind something that's going to lose promoters money. Imagine me going to all the promoters and say, do it this way, do it like me. And all the promoters are going to go, but you lost your ass. Yeah. I've been doing like me. This is the way forward.

[00:33:30] You lose your, I can't promote that. You know what I mean? Promote that ass. You lose your ass. No, it's just, so that's all I can say. I, um, now if there was, uh, 350, 400 players, they probably would have maybe broke even, but that's pretty sad, man. To be breaking even. Uh, technically. Are you talking about last weekend? Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't run. It doesn't run like that with 400 players. Here's the thing.

[00:33:59] We break even on nationals with 300 players at 45,000. They would have to have 350 to 400 players to break even at a $50,000 tournament. Okay. That last one, it said 75, but 25 of it was the gold finals. That wasn't any part of it. It was all sponsored money coming in. It was really a $50,000 tournament. They needed 350 to 400 to break even because of costs overhead. You know, the finals area cost a shit ton of money like that. You know, they need a lot of money. So yeah, they lost their ass.

[00:34:29] And if you count like shipping people over from Europe and the streaming people coming from Europe, I mean, good God. I mean, they probably lost 20 to 25, maybe 30 grand on that thing. Oh, no doubt. Maybe more? In 2024 in Dallas, just for the media rig alone, it was 40 grand. Just to get it there and get it set up. But that was 40 grand. That's not even... I need to see those receipts. Yeah, right? That was the total.

[00:34:58] My structure, the Spider, I'll be open with you. The Spider cost me $20,000 to buy it outright. Right. That was chipped. Okay. So I paid 20 grand on the Spider, as Clay calls it. Yeah. As everybody calls it. No, get it. You lost on that one. People call it the Spider. It is the Spider. To rent that and to have them bring it and install that would be about 12 to 13K. Okay. But there was... So there's your difference.

[00:35:27] You're almost paying, you know, you're paying over 50% of the amount of it. So what they had there was probably worth the trust equipment. Maybe 20, 25K worth of stuff. So yeah, they're spending at least like just 13, 14, 15 on just the trust structure. Wow. Not counting the backdrop and everything else. So it's just expensive. Let's put it like that. And my hat's off to them for being able to afford that.

[00:35:52] But it's just not a solid way forward for me or for the people that would trust in me to give them advice. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. So we've got to create a format that brings revenue in that can then pay out the money and be able to cover your expenses on top and be able to make a profit. Dude, you put it. These promoters are putting in so much time. Good God. I mean, it's ungodly. And if you calculate just the time they put in, it's a lot.

[00:36:21] And if you calculate the mental time they put in on top of that, insanity. It's insanity. It's a lot to do for nothing, for sure. Yeah. So it's really important for me to have a format that checks all the boxes. And this is one that could possibly do it. I mean, this is one that's good for the players. Good for the guy that comes and plays one event. I mean, this format is money for you. You're getting in. You're playing. You're not stopping. You're done.

[00:36:50] You know exactly when you're going to play. And for the people that want to play 20 events, this is money for you. You can play them all. And it brings in the same amount of money. Therefore, we can pay out the same amount of money. And, I mean, it's just checking all the boxes, man. So I just hope the players get behind it. And if they don't, it's because maybe it's not what they want. And that's okay. We'll move forward. We'll figure out how to make double elimination the best we can. Nobody really wants double elimination. There's like seven people who want it. It's okay.

[00:37:20] I mean, nobody wants it. I don't have, nobody has to like me. I don't lose money. Nobody wants a smartphone too, Clay. Everybody wants a flip phone, okay? Some people still have flip phones. Look at Warren Buffett. No, I won't look at Warren Buffett. Why would I look at Warren Buffett? He's old and crinkly and not my style. Nobody is. Nobody is. It's definitive. Right there. That was definitive.

[00:37:44] Nobody is sitting here like actually pleading the case for double elimination except for like literally maybe seven people. And granted, those seven people matter. On tour, I'd say, you know, well, when they get exposed to something like this that they've never seen before, their eyes can change. But if you say championship format to double elimination, I'd say you're probably at a 75 to 25 double elimination in favor.

[00:38:14] No. Yeah, I think a lot of people are coming on board with championship format. It's taking time, especially the Masters. A lot of the Masters are coming on board with it. Are you saying that three to one is the ratio of people who prefer double elimination to championship format? Yeah. Yeah. Expert and below, I would say so. That's why I went back to double M. Oh. Huh. I need to see who ran those polls. No. I don't go by the word of mouth. This is just my mental feel.

[00:38:42] The thing is for the players, the players' championship format doesn't really do a whole lot for them. Yeah. If they go deep in the brackets, it does a lot for them. If they have a chance at winning, it does a lot for them. But, you know, like when somebody – No, next part is not going deep in championship format open singles. So it makes sense to keep the lower rated of this double. The hype I created, I think, is like perfect, dude. Nobody is really complaining much about this.

[00:39:09] You know, the people that really love double M are typically expert and below, and they got double M because, you know, it's what they want. You know, and we're just making it work. But you're going to have to deal with, you know, getting in the winner's bracket and waiting six to 12 hours for finals. You're going to have to deal with, you know, all the nuances that come with double elimination. What is the argument for double elimination from people? Because I can't think of a good argument for it. The only thing that I've heard – Go ahead.

[00:39:38] The number one problem with championship format to people that like double M is that when you lose, you can't win. It's a very valid argument. And I would say, and as Clay would say, well, don't lose, right? We get that. But when you're playing two out of three, it is somewhat of a crapshoot. Three out of five. Yeah, but how much – it's such a crapshoot to – how many double dips? Like I just – I can't believe it's any more than 10%. It's got to be – it feels like just – It's 13%. It's 13%?

[00:40:08] Is it 13%? It's roughly – it's roughly – it's roughly one out of every six. Oh. Huh. Okay. It's not even the fact that the double dip happens. It's more of the fact that – People like to believe in Santa Claus. People want to believe. They want to have hope. They need hope. I just don't want to be told in round one that I suck butthole. I don't want to get kicked. I don't want to get kicked. Absolutely.

[00:40:34] I don't want to be banished from competition after one match because I can't play and I don't have a five bar and I can't do anything. You're losing two. You're out in two, brother. It doesn't matter. Yeah. Sorry, Adam. But you know what? I get it. Ryan, I get it. As a businessman, as somebody that's just trying to make it work, I appreciate you doing what it is you're doing. Well, it's beyond it being a businessman. It truly is, in my opinion, what the players want at that rank. Okay.

[00:41:04] Yeah. That's fair. So I made the decision off that. Not off of – I mean, don't get me wrong. Of course there's going to be a financial aspect that if you please more people, you make more money. But it is, in my opinion, that double elimination was better than championship for expert and below. So for pro and up, I went with championship format because I had to have a time finals. And to be honest with you, in the beginning, I planned on pro singles and doubles being incorporated into the finals at some point, some way.

[00:41:33] And maybe it's not stop everything for it. Maybe it could be the prelim. You have a pro singles final and then you stop everything. And, you know, a women's single. So I felt like incorporating that in. It's also kind of like a bridge to get to – Like a Mappetizer. Yeah, well, for the players that are pro that are about to be at Masters, it's like, all right, you better start learning a championship format before you actually hit Masters because you've got to understand what it's going to be like up here at the Big Dogs, you know.

[00:42:03] That's cool. I like that. That's why I went with that. It felt right. And so I did it. And, you know, don't get me wrong. We got our ass kicked at TKO because we did that, you know. I mean, if you cut out all those finals of the double elimination, I mean, or I mean the second final, I should say, the winner's bracket final and then you have the final final. If you cut that out, you save so much time in a tournament. A lot of people argue, oh, it's only 12 matches.

[00:42:30] No, it's 12 of the most highly conflicted best players that are in every event matches. So, you know, what people learn when they start promoting is you could have six events going on Sunday late, but there's only three matches. And you're like, how is that possible? Well, because that one person is conflicting every single event. If you're lucky, it's only one. It might be two or three. Yeah, it is. It is. But that's the way it works. The best players, especially the ones that are like moving up quick, like Brady.

[00:42:59] He's been slaughtering us because he's been playing so good. So hats off to him. But that's the kind of stuff we have to figure out as promoters is how do we make this work? You know, how do we make things better? You know, so the flight format is my first attempt. It's my way to go, hey, world, here is a way forward that gives you everything you want plus some and could be revolutionary for the game. Yeah. Yeah. This is the whole. There was some big news. What's something we don't know?

[00:43:28] Tell us something we don't know. You can tell us. World's going to be fucking fat. Fat! Now, it was in Louisiana. So is it like P-H-A-U-G-H-T or whatever? They can't spell nothing? Or is it like regular? Regular. P-H-A-T. It's going to be an hour retirement with a hell of a purse. Let's just put that out there. Hmm. There's your breadcrum. Hmm. You got a sponsor. Do I have a what? You got a sponsor? Oh. Don't say the S word. You guys have no clue. Do not say the S word on this show. You've got a sponsor. No.

[00:43:58] You know what's funny? So I have a branding agency, right? And I told everybody, like, look, we're not looking for sponsorship right now. We're not looking for sponsorship in 2025 because the same way I build business, I'm dealing with the foosball. Well, no shit. But when I go to an investor, I don't go to the investor like, hey, I want you to invest in this business and not truly believe in that business.

[00:44:24] Like, I only pitch something that if I was in their shoes, I'd buy it. If I had their money, I'd buy it. It's the only time I pitch an investment. I have a guy that's been trying to give me a quarter million and come into the cannabis industry. And I haven't had a solid enough plan because of the turmoil in the industry right now to I have had one, but a quarter million wasn't enough. So I have not went to him and asked him for his money. Again, I have not had a reason for him to give me that quarter million and feel super good about it.

[00:44:54] So I've not asked him. He asked me. He's like, Ryan, how come we haven't worked a deal? You know, he's actually a Colombian. He's like, how come we haven't, you know, had a deal? And I said, because I'm only going to take your money if I would invest in it. And he said, well, I respect that. You know, and he invites me out to his house in the Key West all the time and this and that. It's the same thing for sponsorship. I'm not going to go to a sponsor and say, hey, sponsor this tour. Give me this money if I don't feel like they're going to get a return for it. It's got to get some sort of return for it.

[00:45:24] So, long story short is I've been working with Fan Brands, the branding agency. We're rebranding the World Championships, which is called the World Championships under this year. So it is going to be the World Championships of foosball, like it always has been. But we're rebranding the World Championships, Nationals, and we're going to be coming out with the National Leagues. So we're still finalizing that.

[00:45:52] That's for 2026, correct? Yeah, no. Well, we're going to go ahead and softly get them going for 2025. As soon as we can have our software complete, which is a work in progress. We have a brand new software we're trying to work out with Kenneth Dell and Reed Rector. George Barter may help a little bit. Eric Allen may help a little bit. We have a few other people that may jump in there. But we have a new software we're trying to get hard launched.

[00:46:21] We have it worked on, but it's going to be primarily focusing on getting a leak software off the ground so that people across America can run leaks off of one software. And also be able to run their tournaments, the local tournaments, all for free as well. And it'll be able to create one big database for us long term where we can solve a lot of these problems that we've been having where, you know, random people come into the tournament and they're ranked a rookie. And the other guy's not a beginner. Well, no shit, he's not a beginner.

[00:46:50] He's only ranked beginner because he hasn't came to tournaments. Well, now we know if he plays at any local tournament under the league software, we know exactly who he is and how many people he can beat and where he should be ranked. So thank you. We're trying to solve a lot of issues by creating a league software that everybody uses that, you know, we'll do our best to keep it as free as possible that we can deploy across America.

[00:47:14] So anyways, our branding company is working with us to create a brand new league image feel the same way that like major league corporations do it. I think guys, I'm spending a shit ton of money on branding. I spent a lot in the beginning, but I just spent equally the same amount to get us through this next next era of 2025. And part of that is actually because he deals with MLB and NHL and all these people is he deals with sponsorships.

[00:47:42] He deals with how they get presented and what they get for it in the pricing. So I've been working with fan brands to create a robust sponsorship package that I can, when somebody says, hey, I want to give you five grand, what can I get for it? I can show them all the different ways we can spend five grand and what they can actually get for it. You know, they can sponsor an area in the tournament. They could be a bronze sponsor of an event, you know, yada, yada, yada. So long story short, you guys said sponsors. We're working on that.

[00:48:09] Our hard push is going to be in 2026 is going to be our hard push to start doing that. But that's all we're doing in 25 is we're making this thing sponsorable to where we can actually push out and get sponsorship. We need millions of dollars in sponsorship. Okay, we need millions of dollars to really make a hard impact in foosball. Don't get me wrong. Hundreds of thousands will help.

[00:48:38] But in a business, 100 grand is a drop in the bucket. We can spend 100 grand with two good people. One social media manager would cost me 50 to 150,000, depending on how good they are. That's just one person. And that is going to be a huge part of the growth of foosball. It is going to be social media and just the Internet, period. But it just goes to show you 100 grand does not get us a whole lot.

[00:49:06] And not to mention when we get sponsorships, we want the players to feel it. You know, we want to go, hey, shit, we got a sponsor. What do we get from it? Well, you get this. And at the same time, the tour gets this, you know. So we need millions of dollars. So we got to think very big on this. So if the breadcrumb you just mentioned about Worlds isn't leading to a sponsor, where does it lead? Give us a halfway point. It's just going to be bad. Think about it. TKO was 20,000. Now it was 35.

[00:49:36] Okay. Vegas was probably about a $35,000 before and now it's 55. And Nationals was 30. It was 40, but now it's 45 with lucky doubles. Worlds was 100. Now it's... I can't say it. Yes, you can. Hey, get the beep ready. We just bleep it. Yeah. Wait, hold on. I got one of these. We got news blue balls. Blue news.

[00:50:05] Blue foos? Blue news. I got some blue chews. I got blue balls. I got blue chews for that. No-dos. Bell-bib-de-vo. I got one of these here. You say it. I'll cover it. Do it in Roman numerals. Are you from Kentucky? You don't know that. Do it in... Roman numerals. That's a code. Oh, that hit a soft part. You guys are dead. You suck. You're my feelings.

[00:50:35] My Kentucky feelings. My Kentucky fried feelings are injured. So... I don't have a petty beard. At least. You know what else you don't have? These cool, sick-ass gloves. Homie. Get wrecked, nerd. Back to you. That is a sound. Whip. And some bonded shit over there, bro. Yeah. You already have it, actually. I don't want to say you need it. Is that what you're asking to see? It's off-screen. It's already stocked out. I got machines.

[00:51:05] I got machines. I got machines you got back there. I got... You know that song by Rihanna where she talks about, like, whips changing hand grenades or whatever it is? I got all that. You got some extra, extra small swings back there. I got some shit done in the war in Ukraine. Whew. Now we're... Now that... Far afield from... I got to ask you, Ryan, when it comes to your latest stats that I saw recently about your social media, things have been really climbing for you guys. Just discuss a little of your social media results so far.

[00:51:35] What's going on with that? Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, we just... We did a really hard push on social and it's been just me and Yvette, but it's also... It was also at the sacrifice of other things getting done. So, you know, we did a hard push just to see what could we softly get with a hard push and we did. We hit a million views in 10 days. That dude... His mind never leaves the gutter. No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't.

[00:52:03] He walks into a daycare and he starts laughing when somebody says what I just said. It's like, what is going on? I can assure you nobody's ever said in a daycare, we did a hard push with soft tools or whatever phrase that was just now. His mind never leaves the gutter. It was great. All right. But yeah. So, the last couple of weeks, we've been busy and also we had the World Series. So, we haven't been pushing nearly as hard, but this is where we're about to do a release

[00:52:31] that we need some people to come in. Some content creators. We'd like to get a social media manager and these positions will be softly paid. Meaning, you know, we can't pay full price for, you know, somebody, but we'd love for somebody to come in like part-time, take it over, you know, give them kind of the guidelines, what we want. I mean, we have so much media now, so much, you know, footage and stuff.

[00:52:59] We can really start trying to get here to create good content. Because yeah, with me and Yvette, like between having a family and just us working all the time, it's going to be very, very difficult for us to post every single day and create valid, good quality content every single day on top of running a family, on top of running the World Foosball Tour, not just running it, but also advancing it on top of creating a lead system, on top of me creating or evolving my cannabis companies, on top of me creating

[00:53:28] a new company in Kentucky, on top of me selling a few of my... It's just impossible, right? So, we need to build the team out. We need more people to help almost everywhere. We're ready to start building the team a bit more. So, we did well our first month. We were really excited to hit a million views to like a quarter million people. And we had about, I don't know, five people reach out that was like, I love foosball. Where can I play? And we're like, that's cool. So, we get five per million.

[00:53:58] If we were actually able to get 20 million views, that'd be 100 people that reach out to us every month. And if we had a National League system where you can see on our website where to play, we can easily point people to that map and even include it as a hyperlink in our post. And we will get some people playing foosball through that. That's just one avenue from creating new players.

[00:54:24] But the same thing that destroyed foosball at one point, the internet and technology, is going to be the same thing that revives foosball. Huh. Okay. So, it's going to be a full circle there. And so, we got to embrace it and really push that forward. And with sponsorship money, man, with a couple million bucks, money will buy anything. It will buy us growth. Okay. But I have to get the sponsorship. You know what I mean? It's a chicken and the egg. It's always been the chicken and the egg.

[00:54:52] For the last 20 years, it's been the chicken and the egg with foosball growth. You need money to advance it, but you need to advance it to get money. Yeah. Yeah. You can't get sponsors without views, but you need sponsors to get views. It's been the chicken and the egg, and that's why I decided to dump a couple hundred grand in this thing, really more than that, but dump money into this to really get it going. So, I am the chicken, and I created the egg. Now, I need bigger chickens, and I need more eggs.

[00:55:19] Here's a euphemism that Clay's just going to love. You had to prime the pump. Yeah, right. Don't say that around Clay. Clay's thinking about pumping it up now. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Have you primed your pump today, Clay? What does that mean? Let's just say we're looking for growth, Clay. Yes. Just to get the water flowing. You've got to prime the pump. Leave that to the pros.

[00:55:48] Just let me do my thing. I do my own stunts. I don't need anybody else to do them for me. Oh, man. So, this... Speaking of non-sequitur. Yeah. And? Back to you, Tom. Oh, thank you. Yeah. So, Ryan, the tornado world in New Orleans, it's looking big. A lot of people talking about it already. What's... Are room sales up and running for that? World championships.

[00:56:18] Say it with me. Yeah, yeah. World championships. It is the WFT World Championships of Football, Clay. Okay. I got it straight. Post it all on the tornado table. Let's make that clear. Tornado is not the organizer or major sponsor in this tournament. I hope they are. Okay. I actually sent them an offer that I would like for them to say yes to, but I haven't got a reply to. But, yes, it is the world championships. We have a ton of interest in it. We know the entire South will be there.

[00:56:48] And that is... Think of, like, New Orleans. Like, Louisiana State gets, like, damn near 250, 300 players by itself. And you maybe have 10, 15, 20 that come from out of state. Right? So, we're going to have the entire South. You'll get Texas that will feed it. You're going to get the entire South. You can get some Florida people that will feed it. And then everybody else will fly in. There's four bumpers, man. It's going to be... I hope you have extra bumpers on hand.

[00:57:17] You know, I was talking to Mom a little bit. And, you know, Kentucky is the ideal location as far as from a drivability standpoint for any major tournament. Because you get the drivability from everywhere. But what Louisiana has going for it is it's got such a strong local base. And they're loyal. I mean, they're loyal.

[00:57:38] And it's got such a strong base that that will most likely solve the people that can't drive in now to it. That's going to make up for it, so to speak. So, she's like, who knows what you're going to get. I mean, you know, we're trying to go for 500, right? So, if we hit 500, that's a really good marker. And it's happened before. I think, you know, in the last, I don't know, three decades, it's happened before.

[00:58:07] You know, Mom took over the World Championships. Don't quote me on this. But I think it was like 2014 or something like that. I think it was 2014. Don't quote me on it. So, she has only been running the World Championships for a decade. Okay. For 10 years. Before that, she was independent, you know? You know, my mom was running tournaments for 33 years, but you only had the tour for like 10. So, you know, and that was because they were losing so much money. They were losing their ass.

[00:58:36] They were like, here, Mary, take it over and see if you can make money. And she figured out how to fucking do it, you know? That's why my mom is the OG of promoting foosball, you know? So, you know what? I want to add something to that just so people know this. Like, your mom is the only person that ever has done what she did, which was to do a countrywide foosball tour and make it profitable and work. Tournament soccer didn't do that.

[00:59:06] Nobody has ever done that. Correct. Well, that's why I'm being pet to you. Say that? Go ahead, sorry. I'm just saying tournament soccer had a sponsor. And they did the million-dollar tour and they did all that kind of stuff because they had a sponsor. And that sponsor was tournament soccer, right? Yeah. Your mom did that on her own. And I think that's awesome. I think that what you're doing, taking that over and proving upon it, is something that it's just good to be playing foosball right now. It's a good time to be a foosball player.

[00:59:35] You know what's cool is the first time I ever said this and it just rang a bell. It almost got me emotional. I said, I'm a second-generation promoter. Yeah. Wow. Think about that. That's awesome. Those people are talking about second-generation foosball players. I'm a second-generation promoter. Are there any other second-generation promoters? That's a good idea. Yeah, yeah. I literally have everything my mom's figured out, everything that she's – all her losses.

[01:00:02] I mean the same way I have the mentality of not letting the sponsorship dictate the prize pool entirely. I want prize pools that I can do without sponsors. And I don't want to ever pit a prize pool out there that I can't maintain myself. Because in the past, she had a sponsor that let her elevate her prize pools and let people go to Hawaii. And that was called Warrior. And when Warrior backed out, she had to regress. Regression is never a good thing. Okay?

[01:00:31] We don't want to pull from the players. We want to keep expanding. We want to keep pushing. One direction, and that's north. So, you know, I learned from that. And I'm not going to go, all right, cool. Even if – I hate to say this. The players – a lot of people would disagree. But if somebody was like, hey, I'll give you $100,000, but you have to pit it all in the World Championships, I'd probably tell them no. And I'd probably tell them no because it's not sustainable. That means that Worlds would be a $200,000 tournament, and the very next year I have to pull it back to $100,000. But what does that feel like?

[01:01:01] Well, that was one really cool bump, and everybody's like, yeah, this is cool. All of a sudden, the very next year, everybody's like, well, this sucks. Yeah, yeah. We don't want that. We want it to keep progressing little by little by little by little. That's fantastic. It's going to be an interesting model. Like I said, you know, there's some things that may on the outside look good, but on the inside, it's actually really harmful.

[01:01:24] And, you know, that's what I've learned from the whole Warrior era when we had really cool paydays, really cool events. The second I was pulled away, my mom tried to match what he was giving, and she couldn't. And she almost went bankrupt. And I helped her even at that time. I had some money saved up. I helped her. I bailed her out. She paid me back a couple years later, but she had to retract. That was the only way she could survive was to retract after that.

[01:01:50] So, anyways, I'm a second-generation promoter that has all the knowledge of my mom behind me, and yet all the future, you know, forward-looking thinking that I have. You know, so it's going to be a hell of a mix for the tour, man. But, yeah, so many good things coming, man. The world's going to be fat. It's going to be great. Quick question for you, Ryan. When it comes to the flight, if that's successful with the nationals, you bring it to the world championships, I presume?

[01:02:20] No. No? So, the flight format? No, because we're going to release the flyer this week. Okay. So, we won't be able to know whether or not it's going to be successful. I got you. If it's successful, we'll... We also need a point of reference for people to tell you what they like. So, you're going to test when it's nationals and do something else at worlds, and then you'll know what 26 looks like, yeah? Yeah, and we've already actually, we have the payouts all done. We have everything done for the world championships.

[01:02:44] It's just a matter of a few things that have to, that are out of our control that have to be finalized with branding and this and that before we can release it. So, everything's final. So, and yeah, the schedule, what we did, because we learned a lot from Vegas, I can tell you a few things we did. So, we moved the finals back, but now the finals is later in the day. Instead of 8 o'clock, it's going to be at like 9.30.

[01:03:13] And the goal, I don't even want to say this, the goal is that we don't play afterwards. Shall we have a big enough turnout and things run behind? We will have to. There's no option. But if we don't play later, we come in earlier. It's going to be one of the options, okay? So, we kind of have to play that as we go, but we're moving that back.

[01:03:35] We did do a few more and ors where you have to, you know, limit what certain people can play to stop the major conflicts that we saw in Vegas. Mom was very, very big into creating this schedule for Worlds, by the way. I mean, she basically created it with the inputs that I gave her. And then we adjusted things based on my needs. And it's going to be a very low grand schedule. And we're going to have the tables to back it up. At Vegas, we had 62 tables.

[01:04:04] At Worlds, I see us having no less than 80 tables. 80. So, that'll be a nice little improvement. If Tornado helps us, we'll have 100 tables. Wow, 100? Serious. That'd be awesome. Did we get a 24,000 square foot ballroom? Twice what Vegas was. Twice? Holy shit. Yeah. Okay. And we've got an 8,000 square foot foyer right in front of it. Oh, wow. So, we've got a 30,000 square foot space. You're doing all that space.

[01:04:34] You're going to have like a subletted out. There's so much cool stuff you could do. Yeah, think about it. We can actually have tables separated out from each other so people can see around them and stuff. Oh, my gosh. Wouldn't that be nice? Yeah. That alone, that little nuance is going to be such an improvement just for the player experience. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, we're looking to have the finals area, but a couple different pit areas.

[01:05:02] We're looking to have like a secondary pit area. These are a lot of ideas that we're coming up with to show sponsors what they could have in the future. So, like, you know, we could have areas of the finals that could be the grandstands by Camping World, you know, or the grandstands by whatever company. So, like, that area, that section of the finals area could be sponsored out, right? And it's like now the people that are cheering in that section, yada, yada, yada.

[01:05:32] So, we're wanting to create areas in the room to show people can sponsor, places for sponsors to align with being able to sponsor. Like, we're talking to one welding company. It's like, well, let's create a really cool metal structure over there for the playing goes for that company. And, you know, like, there's just a lot of ideas that we're circulating. But we're wanting to show what – that's the whole point of 2025 is to make the tour sponsorable. Yeah. Okay?

[01:06:02] So, we're creating the visual of sponsorship. So, now we can take pictures, take videos, and not only can we take pictures, but we can insert their brand. So, when we go to a sponsor and say, hey, look, here's what it looked like. It's not like, hey, here's our idea. It's like, no, here's what it looked like. And it'll just be us creating an overlay of a picture with their images all over it. We have a question from – So, you have a idea –

[01:06:26] I was just going to say we have a question from one of our viewers on Twitch TV tonight who wants to know how right now – Yeah. How can right now a business get involved with the tour? How can they approach you and become a part of the tour? We could accept somebody as early as Worlds. Okay. That's what I'm saying. It's a big part of what we're doing with branding. We could accept a sponsor as early as Worlds.

[01:06:54] The thing with sponsorship is it gets kind of difficult depending on how – you know, if somebody wants to give us like $500, you know, if we have to print something with that $500, we virtually get nothing in for the tournament. Right? So, there's a level of like how much – what's our minimum acceptance rate. Or if we can't accept $500, we can only give digital assets.

[01:07:16] So, you know, on LED screens or, you know, XYZ, a placement somewhere where they can get acknowledgement for sponsors being a part of the tour. But we always want to make it worthwhile, right? So, we're not just going to take somebody's money and, you know, they get a spot on a banner somewhere.

[01:07:38] Our goal is to be able to give them some sort of package and some sort of value after the tournament that shows their name next to big things. So that they can then use it amongst all their followers and their constituents and put pictures up in their building to show, hey, we're a part of this. We're doing this. Like that's where you build value. It's not going to be from just putting their logo on something. You actually build it.

[01:08:04] So, we're trying to figure out what that minimum amount is because a lot of people have – some people have came to us. I say a lot of people. We've had like two people that came to us with a $500 sponsor offer. And I've just kind of – I didn't reject it, but I said softly, said, hey, we're really focusing on this in 2026. Come back to us later. Because the last thing I'm going to do is like, you know, not give them their money's worth but also not screw us out of a bunch of time and money too.

[01:08:28] You know, we're looking for like $5,000, $10,000, $15,000, $25,000, $100,000 sponsors is really kind of where we're at. We're trying to figure that out. And that's what I said. A lot of this is being built right now. So stay tuned for more details on how your business can become a part. But they can reach out to us if they want to become – to be involved for any amount. I don't – there will probably never be a world where we take less than $500.

[01:08:58] But if they want to, they can reach out to us on Facebook or by email, info at worldfoosballtour.com. They can reach out to us. We can probably try to work it out. But by Worlds, we could have something worked out. Another big thing we're doing for Worlds is we're investing – actually for Nationals – we're investing in LED screens like I discussed. So basically, you know, modular LED screens that we can plug and play so they can be attached to each other. Or we can build a huge screen or we can build a long screen or we can build vertical screens, whatever.

[01:09:29] So we're investing in that. We should have some of those deployed in Nationals. But that's a great way to be able to give sponsorship a bang for their buck and it not cost us any more money except for the initial equipment because we don't have to print things. You see what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. So when you print stuff, when it gets very expensive, you have time in design, you have time in this and ordering and receiving the package. The hotel costs money and then you have to deploy the package.

[01:09:57] I mean, it just takes so much time to print something. You don't think it does, but it takes hours. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know. It's great to have something customizable right there on the spot. Yeah. A screen, we literally just take the vector image or a PNG, we throw it onto our template, and we have it flashing the same way we would have it flashing with or without their logo. There you go. Very cool. Yeah, it's super cool. For Modern Foos, guys, what's going on for the World Championships? What are the plans?

[01:10:26] Anything big happening with Modern Foos in the coverage? So we haven't talked a whole lot since post-Vegas. We did. I don't know, Clay, have you talked about or have you disclosed the last thing you were working on at Florida that we're going to try and deploy at Nationals? We're going to do it. Right. Okay. You can say that if you want. Have we what? Have you mentioned much about that or do you want to keep that secret? Go ahead. No, I'm fine with people.

[01:10:54] People who watched Florida, we talked about it on the stream quite a bit. Cool. You're talking about the audio, right? Yeah. I'm fine if you share that. Go ahead. The big thing we're trying to modify and we're just testing. We're doing all different things. And, you know, we got a bit of pushback from the music being too loud in between games. It takes away from the game. You know, obviously in a big room and a tiny little table, you know, sound dissipates in a huge room.

[01:11:21] So, one thing that Clay and them have already figured out and that we're going to start incorporating into the finals is actually noises from the table. So, we're... Sound. I don't think I'd call them noises. I think I'd call them table sound. Oh, that's sound from the table. Yeah. So, he has microphones that will actually be inside the table. Yes. So, every time the ball hits the wall, every time they score, every time they tic-tac, it sounds like the table. And, you know, we're going to test this.

[01:11:50] But the goal is that it's like real-time sound. I mean, the second it hits the wall, it makes the sound through the speakers. And we project it out to the crowd. But now when somebody scores, it could be like, wham! You know? That is cool. So, we're going to pull back a bit on the music. Except for maybe like between games and between balls, this and that. We still... We're going to... The thing is, you're learning how to do sound is what it is.

[01:12:18] And so, it's not like we're cutting the music or we're keeping the music. It's you're learning how to do sound throughout the day. And what people like and what feels good. We really want... We want the match to be the main focus, right? So, as we build this show, depending on how we deploy the show, you know, there's going to be lights, there's going to be screens, this and that. It will potentially take away from the match because people will be looking at the show. But it needs to really embrace the match.

[01:12:48] It needs to strengthen the match. And this is one of the best ways so far that we've thought about how to embrace that match is to really get the sound out to people. Yeah. We'll do that at the Nationals. You'll hear the thump of the goal. You'll hear the tapping like the ball walking around. Yes. The tic-tac. If it's Tommy or whoever else is up there, tic-tac. You'll hear all that crystal clear. Yeah. And so, that's going to be one of the best ways, I think, that we can advance the viewership. You know, in Vegas, a lot of people are like, you need bigger screens. And I agree with them.

[01:13:17] The problem was, those were 75-inch screens. Those are big. So, we thought we got big screens. So, with Nationals, it'll be a little different because we're not going to have the spider there. I don't think we're going to have a spider. We're going to have a different contraption. We're trying to finalize this. Nationals room is a bit smaller, lower ceilings. So, we have to modify how things are done there. But the good news is, is our trust system we have is like Legos. We can build whatever we want with it.

[01:13:45] So, but needless to say, we won't need huge screens there. But for the World Championships, we're going to, you know, at least go with like 100-inch screens. If not, do some sort of LED paneling of some sort to make it work. But, yeah, the LED paneling is going to be super cool. It's going to add a lot of touch. We have a lot of production that's going to be added to both Nationals and Worlds.

[01:14:11] So, pre-match, post-match production, visuals of what people are going to see. But, yeah, our goal is to elevate it. And then we're going to, again, it's really just me and a vet working on a lot of this stuff. So, it's moving a bit slower. But our goal is to really build the image of the players. I mean, that's the goal. That's what we do. I don't watch chess on my phone. I know I've said this a lot with Clay. I don't watch chess on my phone to see the match.

[01:14:39] I watch it to see people beat Magnus or Magnus just beat down on people. He got beat this weekend. Did you see? Yeah, I did. I saw that, of course, because I see these things. I see him thump the table when he loses. I'm like, this is why I watch this. I don't watch it. There's no reason. You know, literally all I do. They've made him to be the GOAT and the best of all time. And, I mean, he is. And, I mean, the fact that he can beat 13 people blindfolded or whatever the hell that was is insanity. So, they built characters. It was done right after the Queen's Gambit.

[01:15:09] Like, it was just a perfect storm for chess for it to become popular. And, you know, that is the key. That's part of the keys for foosball is to build the players. But, I'd say this all the time. You need Netflix to pick up a series called The Queen's Slingshot. There you go. Yeah. I say this all the time to people, though, that you can look for ideas. You can always look around for ideas, but you will never find answers. Yeah.

[01:15:36] You will never find direct answers for foosball because it is such a unique sport and a unique situation. The same thing with formatting. We can look at how every other sport has done it, but there's no sport that has these, I need to lose twice before I feel okay with it. I want to be able to go eat tonight. I'm playing one event. I'm playing six events. There's no soup that has been done before for foosball.

[01:16:03] So, just like the format, we created something brand new. Right? And the same thing is going to happen to grow foosball. There's no answer based on what other people have done that will be the answer for foosball. There's not one. But this is going to have to be a completely handcrafted, original idea that gets us to a finish line. Hmm. And coming up with the idea, where's the incubator for these ideas?

[01:16:30] That would be for yourself or were you talking about anybody who comes up with an idea? You know, here's the thing, man. I come up with most all the ideas, but I have people hitting me with ideas all the time. Cool. And I do my best to listen as long as they open with the right dialogue because the biggest problem when people give ideas is they don't have enough input to give an idea. So, their idea is always going to be right in their head because they don't have the inputs.

[01:16:59] And I don't want that to, like, stop people from giving me ideas. I'm fine with listening. And there has been many that have came from people. This idea for the sound, you know, I know Clay was doing it up already, but I actually had an audio engineer come up to me in Vegas and said, hey, what about doing this? And I said, that's a fucking great idea. I love that idea. It's a great idea that Clay had a year ago. Hell yeah. Yeah. And then Clay was like, yeah, man, we've been talking about this and that. I was like, you know, well, it didn't click until he said it. And that's a fucking great idea. I love it.

[01:17:29] Let's incorporate that right away. Right? So, you know, and obviously, we have many ideas that come from Clay, come from the group, come from the group, from modern. And we listen and we approve and we deny based on the inputs that we have. Right? But yeah, the incubator is just, it's us foosball players. All, we all have the same mission. We all want foosball to survive and to grow. So, and that's what's beautiful about it is we're all on the same team no matter how much we hate each other.

[01:17:58] Amen to that. Both of us love each other, but you know how to do it. There's a few. Well, Clay, we're not going to ask you because your inputs are a bit different than the rest of us. There's a few. A different filter. A different filter. I'm curious about the specialty events when it comes to forward shootout and, of course, Goldie Wars, things like this. How are those events going to be affected? Are they still part of the mix or what's happening? Yeah, yeah. I mean, you can look at the schedule.

[01:18:28] You know, something I was talking about doing with you guys was showing you this real quick. But this is all part of it. One second here. They're all still there. That's the cool thing. Again, you know, we're able to do everything that we did before and give people a more customizable event where they can plan it however the heck they want to.

[01:18:57] We have expert singles. What about ex-con singles? Good night. Microphone drop. There'll be one of us in that. Great competition. Good comeback, Ryan. Hey, I know there's more than a few. I just caught up to the conversation. You guys are funny. The con conversation? Don't let us bond you, Adam. Don't, you know, don't let us interrupt your time. No, I am fully listening.

[01:19:27] I just, I don't know. I'm just surprised it took so long to ask about forward shootout because that's really what we're here for. Somebody wants to play. As I said a while ago, I think that there's this formula in foosball for the last 50 years where people have an idea and they just do it when they're the promoter and they're doing all that kind of stuff.

[01:19:50] But what Ryan has been doing and listening to what other people are doing or suggesting, even if it's not, you know, it's on the kind of the borderline of what it is that should be done. Let me put it another way. Ryan, you're like fully invested in if somebody says, you know what, because you know what you're going to do. The difference between nationals and the difference between worlds is going to be huge, right?

[01:20:14] So if you're doing that kind of thing and you're saying, hey, I'm going to just listen to what the players want and do what I can to respect that. That is incredible. That is a. That's incredible. And I really think I don't know. I'm fully as much as I am excited for the next couple of tournaments this year. I 2026 just sounds absolutely amazing. Yeah. I mean, like again, we're only going north. So, Tom, how do I make this screen big for the viewers?

[01:20:43] So I've just shared your screen and it's here on the we can see it on the Foos Talk live screen. If you want to zoom in, I believe there. I forgot. Are you using PC? PC? Well, sad to say she took my hair. Hold on. She took my computer away from my keyboard. All right. Let's see here. I got a keyboard now. Okay. We can see it, by the way. There you go. Now you're on it.

[01:21:12] This is my mind map is what I call it for how I crafted the flight format. And what's really cool about this is, you know, we have obviously the starting times. We have, oh, let me, sorry. Let me unfreeze panes here. And then three is only the first row. All right. There we go.

[01:21:42] So what we have here is I'm able to, sorry, I don't want to move around too much. I'm able to put in the total players and it formulates everything in there. It formulates the total number of rounds, the total teams, yada, yada, yada. Long story short is I have every single 15 minutes of the tournament mapped out up here. And what it does, it allows me to go, okay, round one of pro singles and rookie doubles starts at 10 a.m.

[01:22:10] And based on the number of people I have estimated in that event, it spits out how many tables I need. Okay. Okay. For every 15 minutes. So what I've done is I've basically, you know, have each event starting and stopping, you know, round one could have more than round two and yada, yada, yada. And I've been able to create a puzzle here where I'm keeping the tables mostly full across the whole tournament. Got it.

[01:22:39] And at the same time, you know, people are able to play nonstop. So when we start amateur doubles, unless there's a lack of tables or unless there is one simple conflict that could happen here and there, you're playing your three matches out pretty much immediately. You're going one, two, three. You might have to wait 30 minutes for a conflict, but you're never going to be waiting for six hours for a conflict. Right. That is gone. You pretty much are going to be on.

[01:23:06] It's like, okay, I got a little, I'm waiting for this person to play, but otherwise I'm playing as soon as that's done. Right. So that's essentially what this has done is this has told me how many tables I need per 15 minutes and I've created, you know, I've had, I created these events to where they're not conflicting with each other, that most people will be beat out of one event before they start another event. And, you know, down here I have the specialty events. This is one key thing that we'll do our best to explain.

[01:23:34] Specialty events are going to take a second seat to the primary events, basically open through the rookie. They're going to, they're going to take a seat to it. So in other words, they're not going to be priority. So they'll be played as, as, you know, as they're called up and they're not conflicting the other events. But long story short is we're able to take this sheet and I actually have a four foot screen here. So you can see it.

[01:24:04] Yeah. I mean, it's, yeah, I'll show you my animal. Oh yeah. My curved four foot screen. Nice. Nice. So I'm able to take this Excel sheet and, you know, really see it across, you know, every single day, all day long. And, and it maps it out to the finals. I mean, we're literally going across and we have round one, round two for every single event, you know, all the way out to the final. So now we're going to be able to say, Hey Clay, roughly at noon, we're going to have rookie devils final.

[01:24:34] That's going to back up to the pro singles final. Hey baby. I'm live on TV. I don't know. Where's mama? Go look in our room. And then after that, we're going to have the finals of expert singles. You see how I have this laid out, you know, band final, final, final. You might have a little break and then we have a finals and then we have a finals and then we have the women's finals and the men's finals.

[01:25:03] So, you know, that's, that's, what's really cool about this is for streaming purposes. We have it mostly laid out. Now this could get sped up or slowed down based on, you know, tournament factors. But for the most part, we have it to where all day long there's finals and there's going to be some times where there's not a whole lot going on. And that's where the playing goes will really come into play. People will be able to play playing goes when they're out of everything else. Okay. They can go play handicap singles, handicap doubles, draw your partners, you know, all different types of events.

[01:25:32] We even have a couple of new formats that Kenneth Dale came up with that we're going to try to incorporate and maybe by worlds. We'll have to talk with him on that, but, but yeah, I mean, that's, that's really the gist is I'm able to see how many tables, you know, make certain like this can't conflict with this. I'm able to coordinate roughly how the term is going to look every 15 minutes and know how many tables I'm going to need throughout the entire day. So sometimes it gets a little heavy and there'll be more tables than we have, but that's okay

[01:26:02] because it'll disperse this way and it'll disperse that way a little bit. It'll even out in the, in the end. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. It'll, it'll, it'll move around. This isn't going to be dead. Right. You know, the thing is, is, uh, I'll go ahead and stop sharing. I don't even know how to do that. Well, I can, I can unshare you on this end. Um, but, uh, you know, what, what I was going to say here? Um, I don't know. Anyways, it's exciting. It's fun to me.

[01:26:28] I geek out over, uh, Excel because I think Excel runs the world. So it's, um, it's a way to get organized and, and plan ahead because I mean, how many times have you gone to a tournament where it's just kind of like, it seems like it's like we're flying by the seat of our pants. We, we don't know exactly when we're going to play. We're up at two, three o'clock in the morning waiting for a match to happen. And, uh, this, this is clearly a much better way of looking at things, planning ahead.

[01:26:54] And, um, incidentally this, this Excel spreadsheet, as it progresses, you'll be sharing this with, uh, with everybody else. Correct. You'll be using this with the crew and they'll be able to know. Oh yeah, I already have. So I've already shared it with Chris and Ann Donald to have them kind of understand the mind map behind it. Yep. Um, you know, no, no main events, our goal is no main events plays past 12 o'clock. Now, something caused it to play past it. Yes. So it's a very soft memory.

[01:27:21] This is a pilot, but no main events should play past midnight. Now, especially events. Potentially. Yes. And we'll have no conflict. Do I be the YPs at night? That's made for people that want to play till 2 AM, you know what I mean? Uh, but yeah, our goal is no main events plays past midnight and we're slightly shifting things to be earlier. You know, even at worlds, we're trying to shift to where some events are starting a bit earlier than later.

[01:27:48] Um, because naturally we have an older population and they prefer that. So, uh, we are catering to that a little bit. So. Well, I mean, this is, this is all, uh, exciting news. The, the changes that are taking place and of course the experimentation that's going on. Uh, I, I really feel strongly that this is going to be a really positive result. Uh, for 2025, at least that's, that's my, uh, my overall impression at this stage, uh, Ryan.

[01:28:17] And, uh, we appreciate you sharing all this. Is there, is there anything else you want to disclose before we, uh, we wrap this? There's a lot I wanted to disclose. Oh, something I just made public, uh, through the text. Uh, we said it was for nationals, but this will be indefinite, not indefinitely for the rest for, for, for nationals and worlds. Unanimously. All, all majors in 2026.

[01:28:46] If you're an expert woman or below, you'll now play free with registration and amateur women's events. So amateur women's singles, doubles, expert women's singles and doubles and open women's singles and doubles. So we're now making it free for the expert and lower women to play all the women's events. And I've done a cost analysis on this. Uh, the benefit from it is going to be worth the reward of losing the couple thousand dollars per tournament.

[01:29:13] Uh, we really are encouraging growth for the women. So it's a, it's big news. Um, you know, this allows for, you know, people's wives to come and play for cheap. This allows for younger women that want to come in to come and play for cheap. Uh, we're already, we've already done this for the first two tournaments and we're continuing to do it through 2026, maybe forever. Who knows? Um, for the juniors, you pay the registration fee and you get all junior events free.

[01:29:41] You get beginner singles and doubles and rookie singles and doubles for free. So all juniors that come in, you're essentially paying 30 bucks. You have to pay a membership. If you've only, if it's your first tournament, you don't pay the membership. Uh, that goes for beginners. So all beginners, if you're brand new and it's your first tournament, you don't pay membership, but after the first tournament, you pay the membership that's once per year. Uh, and then otherwise you pay a $30 registration fee for a junior or beginner and you play, um, six, seven events for free. Nice.

[01:30:09] And so it's really encouraging juniors to play and it's encouraging, uh, new women to play. Uh, those are our biggest, uh, deficiencies in our population right now. So we've got to do a lot to help bring that up. So this would be one way to combat that. Uh, and then for instance, at nationals, you know, we haven't even put this on the flyer yet, but with the whole women's thing, but now you play women's amateur doubles, women's expert doubles, women's open doubles. You get a chance to play in lucky doubles.

[01:30:38] I mean, every time you get into those events, you get a chance to play for two grand, you know? So, um, you know, it's, it's, uh, that, that's, it, that is some exciting news that, that we just released today through text and we'll be releasing through video over world foosball tours ball here over the next week. Um, but yeah, that's, that's a, it's a big one for the ladies. So guys, when, uh, when it comes to modern foos, um, anything you want to throw at Ryan

[01:31:04] at this point, as far as, uh, I don't know, comments, questions, crickets. They can do that privately. No, you know what though? I will say, you know, but modern foos aside and all that, Ryan, I'm a big fan of what it is you're doing. Like I, I think in, I, I, in between the lines, I don't think that a lot of people understand how awful, maybe awful is not the right. It's, it's, it's very difficult to be a promoter.

[01:31:34] It's a thankless job. It's terrible at the, at the, at the small level, like the regional level, like just your regular DYP where you end up getting burnt out because you're the only person that shows up early to clean the, the, the, the, the, the, the surface of the table, right? Right. You're invested and everybody else shows up and they're just like, Hey, you know what, whatever, you know, I'm, I'm just enjoying it. Like, you know, that stuff doesn't exist in a vacuum. That's at your local, right? And you're doing it at a, you're doing it at a state or a countrywide level.

[01:32:04] Um, you and a vet and I just, me personally, I appreciate that. I think that's awesome. And I think everybody else out there in foosball, if you're wondering how to get foosball to be bigger, you have to do something. You have to be involved and Ryan, you made the call earlier, you know, how can you be involved? Message Ryan, message a vet, be like, Hey, this is my skillset. This is what I can do. You know, how can I be involved? That's, that's all there is to it. That's all there is to it. At least in this stage, in this stage.

[01:32:33] We've historically ran off volunteer basis and very minimal compensation, you know, free of if you're help, if you're scratching my back, I'm scratching yours. You know, I'm not going to charge you money for entry fees. If you're doing work that's worth, at least those are more. Right. So, uh, but yeah, no, one thing you said, those is the thankless job and we're going to correct the, uh, local level not being worth doing it.

[01:32:59] We're going to do, you know, we're going to take this business to where it becomes profitable again to have the host a local, uh, our primary goal, uh, for the league system is going to be bringing in capital to disperse out to the local, to the local promoters. That's awesome. So we have a lot of ideas. None of them, not all of them are concrete yet. So I don't, I won't release many of them, but I can tell you that our goal is going to

[01:33:25] be that we assist and help the local promoters based on how good they're doing, how many people are playing, how many new people they get in. We're going to be having incentives for those people to be able to make more and more money. Uh, and that is the sentence could be from, you know, free equipment, free merchandise, free things they can sell, uh, to even potentially compensating them, um, at tournaments. Uh, they're helping foosball grow.

[01:33:51] So to me, that feels like they could possibly get free interviews based on certain metrics, uh, to even maybe some kickbacks to the players they bring to the tournaments. I mean, there's a lot of ideas, uh, and they're all flowing and it's a big puzzle. So, uh, I can say long-term that if you're a promoter, the goal is that you make money and the people, the players have got to stop thinking that people should do this for free. Foosball will never grow on a volunteer only basis. Yeah.

[01:34:19] It will require people to make money from it in order for it to grow. And people have to be okay with that. Like, do you go to work for free every day? No. Why not? Because you don't want to work for free and it's no different for, for promoting. I have, I have, uh, vowed that I'm not going to take money from this or, or, or make even a reasonable salary from foosball for the first three years. However, in five or 10 years, I hope I make millions off this. Uh, if I don't.

[01:34:49] I hope I I've lost my time and that's my, what I'm willing to sacrifice off this. But if I don't think that there's at least a chance that I and everybody behind me get successful from it, it doesn't really make sense. But I want the local promoters to realize they should be making money and they need to be able to do it without strictly just from the players. I mean, the players are a big income source of it, but we can get to the point where even advertising becomes a big part of the sponsorship of the tour.

[01:35:17] You can have, we can have sponsors of, of the WFT league and that league sponsorship money leaks down to the player basis. Because those are where we're getting the views and the plays to be able to have those sponsors. Like there's ways to do this. That doesn't always come from the players, but you can't feel guilty for making money as a promoter. You can't because that's what a lot of the players have back ended it into. It's like, Oh, well they're making 10 grand on this tournament. Bro, I wouldn't do this if I made 10 grand at a tournament. Yeah.

[01:35:46] You don't understand how much work it is to promote a major tournament and make $10,000. Yeah. Yeah. No way. It's like getting a dollar an hour of your time. Pretty much. Yeah. It's yeah. And you have to have everybody work for you for free. Yeah. If you, if we, if we didn't have people that were willing to sacrifice their time and get paid for a quarter or a 10th of what they're actually worth per hour, that none of this would be possible.

[01:36:15] If I had to pay everybody their per hour rate, we'd all be screwed and Twitter would be dead. But the willingness of the players to help build foosball up and, and, and be a part of something big. Cause that's what we're all really looking for. We're looking for purpose, right? Every single human, we're always looking for purpose. And this is, this has kind of gave me a whole new purpose. It's been awesome. So a lot of people come into this because they want a piece of that. They want to have something that they're helping move forward and be a part of it.

[01:36:44] And so they get fulfillment from it, but it comes at the, at the cost of their time. And a lot of people are willing to do that because this is big. This is really cool. You know? Yeah. We're part of something that could be the next chapter of, of, of history. You know what I mean? Like foosball could become big and it could become big because of all those joining together to do it, you know? It already is. It is. It is the next chapter of foosball history.

[01:37:12] Like I was telling Clay this, uh, at TKO, and especially at Vegas, like there's a change. It is changed. Like foosball has changed from what it was. And, and it's really incumbent and up to everybody else that's involved. All the keyboard warriors, the next time you get the urge to get on Facebook and complain, ask yourself how you could do better. How can you, how can you contribute? Because having opinions is so much more different than as what you're doing. You have opinions, Ryan, but you're executing. Yeah.

[01:37:41] And you're fixing and you're working. And that is, that's just, I mean, that's just life. That's just how it should be. Right. And that's, I hope, I hope that that becomes infectious. I hope that becomes viral and that's what everybody does in foosball now to see how they can add that and change that and do that because it, it, it is, it is just so much better. I mean, do yourself out there in foosball world, do future you yourself a favor and be involved now

[01:38:07] because that's just only going to make things better for you and everybody else involved in foosball and also potentially will be involved in foosball. Yeah. No, it's, it's, uh, it's been fun, man. It's been a hell of a ride and, uh, we were, dude, we're five months into the world foosball tour. Five months. That's gone by pretty quick.

[01:38:30] And after this next week, we're going to show how we're damn near, we're way ahead of schedule and, and we're doing great, but yeah, I mean, because we're, we're going to be able to show like really good content, really good visions and streamlines and, and all of our, the, the world championship branding is a beautiful man. It's beautiful. God, it's so gorgeous. I mean, fan brands does an amazing job and they take every, everything that I want and

[01:38:58] they make it that they make it happen. And it, you know, it may take a couple of tries this time. It actually like Vegas was pretty much right away. I liked the way that that came out, but this one, it took a couple of tries, but it came out beautiful. Um, and it's going to, I mean, it's going to be, it's going to be grand. It's going to be everything. So yeah, things are really looking up. So, um, you know, we're, we're really at the starting line though. That's really the thing that people have to understand. Like, you know, when we start hitting these things that everybody thinks is what foosball

[01:39:28] needs to grow forward. Uh, a lot of people think we did it to me. It's like, nah, we're just getting started, man. We are literally just getting started, you know? So, uh, like that's hitting a million views, even though we haven't been super consistent after we, we hit that benchmark. Uh, the reason being is because we're focusing on so much other things, but it, you know, it really is pushing to that next level. So we are at the starting lines. I mean, hell, well, you know, we were looking at how many likes we had and I went to your,

[01:39:54] uh, Instagram page, Clay, and you had more likes on one video than we had on the entire month. I was like, ah, we're just babies in this stuff. You want content? He's got content. He's ready to go. Yeah, no, no, I do. I want Clay's content. I put the con in content. Shit. We need the content you're asked over here in World Food Ball Store. We need your help, bro. Yeah. Well, here's a good, I'll give you a cheat sheet for knowing when things are going crappy in my life.

[01:40:24] Take a peek at the Modern Foods Instagram and notice that we hadn't had a post since Cinco de Mayo. So if that page is going weeks without posts, then just know Clay's got some things to handle. So we're in June now. It's the good month. And I don't know if you saw this a minute ago, but I was holding up the drive. This is the drive. I got, I got stuff. I got matches scheduled out to July on the Modern Foods YouTube channel. Nice. And you're up next, buddy. We were supposed to talk last weekend and you're too busy winning matches, so it didn't quite happen. Yeah.

[01:40:54] We're getting there. We'll take all the content you can give us. You will. But, you know, we're looking to really start pushing that. Yeah. It'll become more fruitful when we have these views and stuff, when we actually have this league system put together, which is why the leagues are so big. Because it's like, it's like this with my dispensary. There's no point to advertise and tell people to come to my store if I don't have a product to sell them. Right? So let's just say it's a really shitty experience in my store and I pay all this money for advertising

[01:41:23] and they come in, they go, well, that sucks. And they never come back. That dollar is not spent really well. The same thing applies to marketing foosball. If we didn't have, if we don't have a place for people to go play locally, then it doesn't quite help that much bringing people, people discovering foosball through social media. They're hand in hand. Yeah. When somebody discovers it and they go, oh, I like foosball. Where can I play? And they don't have a place to go play within an hour or two. They're gone.

[01:41:53] You know what I mean? So it's a pilot program. You know, we get the people, we get the, you know, leagues and locations across the U.S. And then, you know, we stick the media team on them. We stick Clay and Modern on them. And people start discovering foosball and they start realizing they have a place within an hour to go play. They go play. They get hooked. This is how we grow foosball. This is how we do it. So. This is how we do it. As a local promoter. Bobby Brown?

[01:42:23] Here in the 518 as a local promoter that just recently started doing this, I am psyched. I cannot wait to take advantage of the resources you're offering here, Ryan. And it's, I think that's going to, it's going to make a huge difference for us as the local players. I can't wait. Send me some tables. I'll start a club. I'll start a club right here in my town. There you go. Not in a bar. Like an actual standalone pay $1,100 a month or whatever. We'll sign up tomorrow.

[01:42:53] What? I said we'll sign up tomorrow. We will? You're ready. You're going to send me some tables? I'm talking about something that I would literally do. I priced it out. I'm in it. I'm serious. I'm for real. The leak system is going to be a big push. I mean, it's going to be a big. A big what? Big push for foosball growth. I mean, a lot of people are going to want to jump back in again. We start incentivizing voters. They start making money from it.

[01:43:23] We're even going to have a couple pilot cities where we advertise for them. We're going to advertise. We're going to do a shotgun approach on advertising through social media, awards, contacting local businesses, places where we would actually find foosball players. And we'll figure out what works advertising-wise and spread that across the U.S. It's going to be, like I said, man, it's going to be a big discovery on how we get people in the game. But the leak system is going to be fire.

[01:43:51] Especially this year, we have the North American Cup at Nationals. But next year is going to be the National League Championships. The Nationals is going to convert to the League Championships. So what used to be Vegas back in the day, it's going to now be Nationals. Because that's what Nationals is all about. It's about the nation. You know, bringing the nation together. And that event is going to be for some fat money. But more importantly, besides the money, it's going to be for territory. It's going to bring back the territorial vibe where everybody's playing for everybody. Everybody's chained for their local organization.

[01:44:21] So, you know, that's the part that really is exciting to me. You know, like you said, 2026 is going to be exciting. Hell yeah, it's going to be. Are you using the format for the Cup thing that was used last year? Yeah, we're just copying and pasting that whole event. You know, because it's going to be the last year that that's done. If you want to be the last team to ever win that, then put your team together, you know, for each state.

[01:44:48] Yeah, because it's going to convert to the National League Championships where you're going to play with the people you play with locally. Nice. Oh, yeah. Okay. That rocks. The League League will send basically their MVP team to the National League Championships. And you'll know what format it is and this and that. And it'll be – that's a whole other topic when we start getting into our ideas with the League system. But it's going to be cool, man. And it's going to be, like, consistently driving you to want to play foosball all the time.

[01:45:16] And the new software, the ideas we have for it is going to be really awesome, too. Very cool. Again, a lot of cool stuff, man. But it takes time, guys. Everything takes time. Yep. Every good thing takes time. Well, you know, five months ago – Give me time, please. Five months ago, we were talking about, you know, the launch of this thing called the World Foosball Tour. And there's been not a single moment of disappointment, I can say, on this end. It's been spectacular. So congratulations. I've seen some disappointment.

[01:45:46] Well, come on now. That's you, Clay. Ryan, have you – it's not just me. Ryan, have you seen any disappointment? Oh, absolutely. Adam, have you seen any disappointment? Don't put that on me. It's not just me. The question is, do you see it twice? That's when it starts becoming a problem. Right. Dude, all BS aside, I genuinely and thoroughly command your ability to, A, you're hard-headed, and you're going to do a thing if you want to do the thing.

[01:46:14] And then at the point where you go, all right, maybe this wasn't the play, you back off on it, and you look for what's right instead of what you want. You're really good at that, dude. And you know I'm not – that ain't my style to just blow smoke. But I can be totally better. I could be so much better. I could do – No disagreement. You could be better. Yeah. But what you are is really good, and you will be. I was trying to do the butt thing when you gave me a compliment. Yeah, I know. This is how that works.

[01:46:45] Thank you. It's a muscle you've got to work out because that shit is atrophied. It's okay to just accept – you will get better. You're going to get better. If you told me, I have been getting better with it because every time somebody thinks, I'm always like, yeah, but it's not what I expect it to be. It needs to be better. Yeah. And so you are good, and you will be better. And both of those are true and going in the same direction. Thanks, buddy. Nothing's perfect. You are good, and you will be better. All that. Thank you, buddy. Follow your vision. And we're here to make it happen, too. I'm getting good at it, right? We're good.

[01:47:14] And you can jump on any old time you like here at Foos Talk Live. We're always ready to hear the story, the saga, how things are unfolding, the good, the bad, the ugly. You name it. We're ready. Hey, what's the light situation for nationals, Ryan? The table lights. Are we going to have the – Not that sofa you had in Florida. I mean, it was a damn sofa up there blocking the whole room. Look at Clay.

[01:47:43] Hey, Dickhead, I said, what are you going to have? You have a marshmallow on both tables. Hey, Dickhead, come back. We're talking about you. We're not talking about me. Talk about – I'm asking you about – I'm asking you about nationals, asshole. I'm not asking you about what's the thing I did at a tournament last month that you didn't fully approve of because you were jealous and everybody loved it

[01:48:08] and you didn't think it fit your exact specifications because it had giant MF Modern Foos and nothing about WFT. And everybody complimented me and they didn't say shit to you because you didn't do it. So back to you. What's it looking like at nationals? Long term, long term, and I still have to work on this. We don't want a light over the table at all, long term. We want there to be lighting that's far away that can be pinpointed, that can be – I mean, I'm working through it, but I haven't had a whole lot of time.

[01:48:36] We don't want deep shadows, but there needs to be multiple angles. Oh, hi, Kitty. Yeah. Well, you know that you have to pick one or the other. You can't have faraway lights without shadows. It's not possible. That's just physics. Well, that's what I'm getting at. It's like spotlights that are from multiple angles that I don't know. You know, again, maybe we need a grid of spotlights hitting it from, you know, a whole grid coming in on it that has just squares or something. I don't know. We're going to figure it out. Do you have nationals worked out? Huh?

[01:49:06] Do you have nationals worked out what you're going to do there? No. Because – well, so the thing about nationals is it won't be the – it's going to be more of like a square rectangle. It's not going to be the legs because the room is just too small. We're going to need to make the pits long instead of like how we had it because the room is too small. So we're looking to make the pits more of a long format because we've got to make that as compact as possible.

[01:49:35] We're not even going to be – we're testing the floor plan with registration and foos gear not even in the main room, in a separate room. And it's just a small – it's 7,500 square foot. So it's – you know, we've got to do the best we can with it. We still haven't came up with the floor plan to even send you, which is why you haven't seen it yet. Yeah. We don't need risers, by the way. We tried that corner thing I sent you, and it just – it took up too much room still. It's tricky. Yeah. It is tricky. Yeah, it took up too much room still.

[01:50:05] So we're like, okay, how do we simplify this more? So how close are you to knowing what the light situation will be? The thing is we're going to have a beam going right over the table, and the light will hang down from that beam. Just like you're – we're going to have a trust system right over top of the table. Just like the thing that everybody loved at Florida State. You can say the rest of that sentence. Wait, was that that Mohawk crap? That blocked people from blocking the table? No. No.

[01:50:33] Find me one person who could – no, there were – foosball tables were blocking the foosball table at Florida State. It wasn't at the Mohawk. You're there. Yeah. You're – I am – You guys did a great job down there. I am not – I'm not saying anything. That marshmallow above the table was, you know, different, but you guys did a great thing down there. It looked good. You know how many people love that? I'm talking like, oh, my God. This is so pretty. People sending me screenshots. Yeah. This is the coolest thing I've ever seen.

[01:51:03] And then it could be yours, but it would be WFT. WFT instead. Have your logo on it. It just takes up too much space. It'll block everything else in the room maybe. If you're Shaq – Yeah, if Shaq is watching a foosball match and he's three feet away from the table, it might block the other goal. Kim Olajuwon might have a – He might have a problem seeing –

[01:51:32] I think it looks slick. I think your logo would look really cool, especially because yours is elongated. And I think that would look cool. It's pan around. I think it would look cool. Yeah. I'm going to – How about I just bring one and you can just see how cool it is? Oh, you need three. I'm not going to do that. Yeah, you need three. It's cheap. You could sell that. $400 to somebody to pay for it. And on the end of it, you saw where the Tornado logos were. You could have their logo. And then yours is the long –

[01:52:01] And the players liked it too. The table was – I'm making this experience better for the players. No, you know what? I will say that though. The players liked it more. There was quite a few people that specifically wanted to have their photo taken with that in the background. Like I was watching that happen. Tommy, you're – They were like, hey, yeah, make sure that that's in the background where they're taking – I don't know. It's a – What do they call that at like restaurants or places? Like it's a thing you go and take your picture near. It's like a –

[01:52:31] Selfie magnet. The kiss and cry wall? That's what we use. We use that term with the branding agency is selfie magnets. Anything that people – Selfie magnets. Yeah. People were doing that. It's a selfie magnet. They were. So similar to the backdrop you have there where the idea was for people to take their – they will do that with the table lights. 100%. But we don't want them in the pit area. It's more organic down there. It's – I gave up on that.

[01:53:01] I gave up on the first – Las Vegas, the first person that – I have no support. I'm on my own. I'm like, you know what? I got nothing but middle fingers for everybody. You could have a four-on-four in every table in the pits. I don't care. I didn't kick anybody out after that. After that. Asshole. We put that team on recall, Clay. You have support. We put them on recall. Yeah. They were –

[01:53:27] That is not the time I do for this conversation. Question in the chat, by the way. I'll answer it, Tom. No, we're not going to be at Illinois State. Modern Foods will not be at Illinois State. Is that being streamed? Yeah. Is that a sign for us? Cool. Yeah, so get out your checkbook. And our best to Don Chalifo and the gang there at Illinois State. It's going to be a great tournament as always. Don is a great host.

[01:53:56] That was a solid punchline that was on the way, Tom. It's probably right, though. No, no, no. That's probably the right play. Yeah. But looking forward to hearing more about Illinois State. So final thoughts. Adam, first of all, now that you've had a little chance to hang out with your cat, we're wondering, what are your final thoughts here?

[01:54:26] Well, I don't know. I feel like that foosball is changing and for the better, and you just need to be a part of it if you want to be a part of it. Be a part of it. Nice. To underscore my point. Can I quote you on that? That's why he thought about you. No. Clay, how about you? Final thoughts.

[01:54:55] Well, two hours ago, you asked me how my tournament was last weekend, and I didn't get to finish my answer because Ryan got on. Let's finish it. How did it go? No. No. I don't even remember. My final thoughts. Hey, I will vouch. If you have ideas and you have time and there's three versions of charity. There's time, talents, and treasures. Do you have time? Do you have an ability or do you have money to give?

[01:55:23] If you have anything in those three categories, I will vouch and say that Ryan is open to hearing from you. So if you can chip in anyhow, holler at him. Don't holler at me because I'm going to ignore you because I don't respond to messages except for like seven people. Or if you want matches from a tournament we've covered, I do respond to those messages. Everybody else goes to a filter that I never see. So don't message me with your ideas. I probably won't like them anyways. But Ryan is all about the new ideas. He is. He is all about the new ideas.

[01:55:51] And if you give him 100 ideas and he hates 100 of them, he'll still listen to 101. I'm serious. That's a thing. And I don't have that, by the way. Because you got one try with me and then it's like you get marked. You get the tag. You're an idiot. I don't listen to you anymore. So that's my final slide. Yeah, it's really low. Talk to Ryan. He's a real low-pressure friend to have.

[01:56:18] Hey, and the foosball community is getting better. Oh, yeah, they're getting better, yeah. Better. It's still a good freaking year to be a foosball fan. And everything is, I don't know exactly what Ryan was saying when he was saying it's ahead of schedule. But it feels like things are going better than they were hoped for. And we had high hopes. And they're still going better. There you go. All the negative Nancys are slowly realizing that nobody cares about them. Stay sequestered in your group of hate.

[01:56:49] It's kind of like. Stay on your hate book. It's a reprogram, recondition. I'm in the middle of a sentence. I never know when you're done. I never know. I never know when you're done. Wow. Oh, man. Back to you, Tom. Yes, sir. Man. Yes. So, Ryan. Wow. And for you, final thoughts. Right. What are your hopes for the next month or so?

[01:57:23] Crickets. That's for you, Ryan. Let's get on the moment, you know. Yes. Yes. The moment. The moment. I want them to be in the moment. No. Be in the moment. No. Final thoughts are, you know, this is a lot of fun without, you know. Like, in the past, with my past businesses, I've been very financially driven. You know, being able to see, like, direct capital coming back for it.

[01:57:52] And this has been very cool because this is where passion beats capital. I mean, when you're really into something, it's, I'm driven more off this than I have been driven off a lot of things. And there's no financial direct input on it. But it's a challenge that I think the football world currently thinks is impossible. And that's a good thing. So, I like being tasked with the impossible task.

[01:58:18] And, you know, I think that the football players as a whole is a very passionate group of people. And that's what has held this sport game alive for so long. So, as long as we embrace that and we hold true to that and everybody pitches in where they can. And it could be something as small as, like, liking a post. Sharing a post. I mean, that's small. Obviously, support when you can. Do what you can.

[01:58:47] Come to tournaments when you want to. If we're not pitting out a good enough product, then, you know, keep checking in with us. And eventually we will. You know, but come out and enjoy the tournaments. Support where you can. You know, Clay made a good point. You know, whether it's your time, your money, your thoughts. Anything could really help right now.

[01:59:07] But, no, I'm excited because we really do have a soup boiling right now that could be the best soup that foosball has maybe ever seen. You know, foosball has more things against it now than it ever has in the history of the game. Yet, we're about to potentially, and we already are, seeing a resurgence that is unparamount.

[01:59:34] So, we have a chance to defy the odds here and beat the game. And so, this is the hardest match I've ever been a part of. And based on where foosball's at right now, we really are in the fifth game right now. You know, we're at the fifth game 1-1. And, you know, we have the next moves over the next five to ten years will determine the fate of foosball. Which is why I really wanted to come into this.

[02:00:04] And so, it will be a team effort. You know, teams make dreams. And it'll be a team effort to really make foosball progress. And I'm hoping to really lead that direction. But, you know, at the end of the day, it comes down to the whole entire group coming behind it. So, we are in the fifth game here. Foosball's in the fifth game. And we either prevail or we fail. And, you know, we have about a decade to make this happen.

[02:00:33] So, it'll take a decade to make the happen potentially. So, it's our chance to stroke it hard. Yeah. We are fight or flight mode right now in foosball. We either make it happen or we pit our tail between our legs. And the good news is, if we lose this battle in ten years and foosball goes south, the least we can say is that we tried our ass off. It's the same thing in a match. If you lose a match and you didn't give it your all, you're mad at yourself.

[02:01:02] But if you gave it your all, you at least can say that, right? You can't go back home going, well, I didn't try my ass off. So, that's where we are with foosball. I'm happy taking the charge. And I really help all the people that are coming in behind me because it really does take the team effort to make this thing happen. Dude, couldn't say it better. But I really appreciate your sentiment here. And you know what? If it fails, it's not because of anything you did.

[02:01:31] It's all about the fact that, well, hey, things are going to happen the way they're going to happen. But we're looking forward to the future. And let's get together again real soon. And just say the word. Anytime you want to come on Foos Talk Live, we're ready. You know, we're ready to have you back and hang out. But Clay, Adam, thank you so much. Modern Foos, play-by-play right here on Foos Talk Live. And Ryan Moore, man, you rock. Let's talk again soon.

[02:01:58] Once again, episode number 255 of Foos Talk Live. We're back again next week. And Randy Reposal will be back from vacation. But looking forward to that. Thank you for tuning in on Twitch TV tonight. For tuning in, we had quite a few viewers tonight. So appreciate that. And we'll be back soon on Foos Talk Live. Stay tuned now for Foos Talk Live's Tournament Beat. Foosball tournaments are everywhere.

[02:02:24] Foos Talk Live proudly presents a weekly update of events near you. With the Foos Talk Live Tournament Beat. Here's what's up. It's the 2025 Illinois State Championships. June 5th through the 8th at Poplar Creek Bowl, Hoffman Estates, Illinois. The ITSF presents the World Cup and World Championships 2025. June 23rd through the 29th, Saragossa, Spain.

[02:02:51] The World Foos Ball Tour presents the 2025 National Championships. July 10th through the 13th at the Millennium Maxwell House Hotel. Nashville, Tennessee. South Florida Foosball Club presents the 2025 Beachtown Beatdown. July 25th through the 27th. Lilo's in Lake Worth Beach, Florida. It's the Toronto Foosball Club Summer Epic 2025.

[02:03:18] August 1st through the 4th at the Toronto Foosball Club, Toronto, Canada. Canada Foosball presents the 2025 Vancouver Island Foosball Championships. August 22nd through the 24th at Courtenay Legion, Courtenay, British Columbia. The World Foosball Tour presents the 2025 Tornado World Championship Foosball Tournament.

[02:03:42] August 27th through September 1st at the Hyatt Regency, New Orleans, Louisiana. The 2025 Great Lakes Classic is now scheduled for October 2nd through the 5th at the Hilton Garden Inn, Lansing, Michigan. The 2025 Louisiana State Foosball Championship. All set for December 4th through the 7th at the Clarion Hotel, Kenner, New Orleans, Louisiana.

[02:04:08] Each week we do our best to give you the most up-to-date listing of foosball tournaments near you. If you have an event you'd like to add, send us all the details at foosballradio at gmail.com. Tune in every week for the Foos Talk Live Tournament Beat. Foos Talk Live is a product of Foos Ball Radio. With gratitude, we recognize our Foos Ball Radio Patreons.

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